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To: John S Mosby; Eleutheria5
The “slip” is one which the communists used against Poles— that they were accomplices to the Nazis. The extreme need of a teleprompter is one more poor attempt at consistency in the dialectic from obama’s marxist managers. It wasn’t a “slip” it was written that way.

Correct. I'm a non-Pole staying in Poland and have an indulgence for history. The first "polish" pogrom against Jewry was in Tsarist controlled polish territories in the late 1800s. Remember that until 1793 the Poles were an independent nation (ok, from 1700 under the Saxon house they were puppets of the Tsars) and after that Poland was partitioned thrice and more or less didn't exist for the 1800s.

The Tsarist part gave Moscow it's huge rise in Jewry (in the late middle-ages the vast majority of Jews in the world lived and were equals in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth). The Tsars used pogroms as a political weapon.

Anyway, I digress -- to your point, anti-semitism is not in Polish history anywhere like other European nations -- I suspect it was due to three reasons: 1. the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was a mixture of 4 peoples: Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians (Ukrainians, Bialorussians) and Jews, with Armenians and Saxons and Tartars tossed into the mix, so a multi-cultural and multi-faith state where differences were expected
and 2. The population of Jews in Poland before WWII was about 20% -- some towns like Pinsk were 90% Jews, Warsaw and Krakow were 40% Jewish. Your neighbor was a Jew, your friend, your shopkeeper etc. -- and these were highly integrated into Polish society. Prejudice didn't gain ground
and 3. The man who recreated Poland -- Marshal Josef Piłsudski was of a Polonized Lithuanian family whose ancestry was in the East, Vilnius. For him Poland was not a mono-ethnic state but one like the P-L commonwealth: where different ethnicities were together, with one purpose (as an aside, during the P-L-C you had Germanics like Copernicus who considered himself a citizen of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and fought against the Teutonic knights' rule) -- Piłsudski won against the opposing camp (Dmowski) who wanted a mono-ethnic state.

65 posted on 05/31/2012 12:45:14 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Well done, and thank you. What many posters on this thread missed was that obambi's marxist writers are trained and on the same propaganda page as the soviets. You have outlined very informatively that Poles (the original countrymen not influenced/run by the tsarists and the later apparatchiks and bolshies of russians) were never anti-jewish. This assumption was repeated and formed a plot line in the novel/movie "Sophie's Choice" where the crazy jewish boyfriend of the Pole survivor of the camps.... assumed she was a collaborator (and indeed the plot line filled this in by making her father a professor who was pro nazi anti semite). It was not so, as you point out prior to the tsarist and communist partitions.
The biggest point in all this thread is that obama is exactly like Lenin-- willing to propagandize divide to destroy our wonderful republic for "democracy" dictatorship of the marxists. He surely lost most of the Polish American vote with this "gaffe" that wasn't. At least those who know the history.
67 posted on 06/06/2012 8:00:04 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Cronos

Also— one wonders if we will ever learn who wrote this speech for the prompter— will we ever know the propagandist and their background. It was no “slip”— not by them.

And the classic “oops” is a lawyer’s trick— cause the words are still publicly in the mind.


68 posted on 06/06/2012 8:02:21 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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