[BuckeyeTexan]

Bennett submitted a request form that stated the following facts about a vital record:

• Name on Certificate: Barack Hussein Obama, II
• Gender: Male
• Date of Birth: Aug. 4, 1961
• Place of Birth: Honolulu, Hawaii
• Name of Father: Barack Hussein Obama
• Name of Mother: Stanley Ann Dunham

By law (HRS 338-14.3), Onaka's one-sentence statement verifying the existence of a record on file certifies each and every fact supplied by Bennett on the request form.

[woofie]

As I understand the argument
Butter is saying the Hawaiian replies to the initial request from Arizona were lawyered to death and are therefore meaningless

You are saying that Hawaii replied regardless

Can you see any reason Hawaii would ask for a change in the initial request?

[butterdezillion]

That’s not the way it works. They verify individual items.

If, for instance, Bennett had put “Gender: Female” on that form, would HI still have verified that a birth certificate is on file? If so, then how would they make it clear that they are NOT verifying that the gender was female?

See, for the requestor to end up with a document that certifies anything, there has to be something on that document that shows exactly what is being certified. A certification that says, “I certify that everything you said is true” means nothing, because there’s no way to know what exactly is meant by “everything you said”.

The only thing that Onaka (or whoever put his stamp on this paper and then initialed it with indistinct initials) personally “verified” out of those 12 items was that they have a birth certificate on file for Barack Hussein Obama II which “indicates” a Honolulu, HI birth. The rest was not spoken in sentences or with any kind of statement of what it means.