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To: NJ_Tom

“Natural Born” means a status that exists as a result the of nature of one’s birth - no act of man or government can change that.
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Exactly correct!!!!! A naturalized citizen cannot be president; that is what that means. Born of the soil = natural. There are TWO categories of citizens spelled out in the Constitution: Natural and Naturalized.

Tell me ONE authority that will declare obummer not to be NBC and make it stick UNLESS they prove he was not born in HI. Who are you people preaching to, the wind? No one believes you. Give up the insanity!

Believe me, Hell will freeze over before he is declared not to be eligible and removed from office unless it can be proven that he was not born in America. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It will not happen because the framers didn’t require two parent citizens if born in the USA.


225 posted on 05/23/2012 5:56:52 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
To reply to your earlier post, The flaw in the argument can be found in the structure of the English language. Just as to "immunize" is to make one immune, so is "naturalize" the process that makes one "natural." Anyone who has been naturalized is accorded all the rights and privileges of a natural citizen. This does not make him a natural-born citizen.

For a great part of our history, even being born here did not make you a citizen, unless your parents were citizens. This was changed with the 14th Amendment, to ensure that freed slaves were accorded citizenship. It was made clear by its framers, at the time of its adoption, that this Amendment only accorded "birthright citizenship" and would not, indeed, could not alter the requirements for NBC. Note also, the language of the 14th - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..." Who is not "subject to the jurisdiction?" Foreign diplomats and agents, those in the country illegally and transients who have been admitted for a short period. This leads to the question as to whether Obama is even a citizen (which might explain why his Social Security No. fails E-Verify.)

239 posted on 05/23/2012 1:07:09 PM PDT by NJ_Tom (I don't worship the State; I don't worship the Environment - I only worship God.)
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To: New Jersey Realist
One further point, from personal history. My father was born in Germany, of a father who was born in Germany. When he went to register for conscription in 1918, he was told he was not a German citizen, because his father was not a German citizen, because his father was born in Bohemia, thus making him Austrian.

As I said, NBC is a status afford by the nature of one's birth, and cannot be altered or modified by any Sovereign, government or law.

If your theory were to be correct, my father would have been a NBC of Imperial Germany.

Thankfully, considering the way WWI was proceeding for Germany, he was not - otherwise, he'd never survived to get to the US in 1927 & I wouldn't be here!

BTW, my Dad (& London-born Mom) both became citizens in the 1930s, so I was a NBC when I was born in 1943!

242 posted on 05/23/2012 1:51:29 PM PDT by NJ_Tom (I don't worship the State; I don't worship the Environment - I only worship God.)
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