Butter, is this scenario plausible to you?
Obama was born in Kenya or Canada.
His foreign birth was NEVER registered in Hawaii. If it were he would have his own birth certificate number and not need Virginia’s.
In 2005-2007 Obama steals Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number and uses it on his public fake COLBS. Hawaii says nothing.
Since the birth index has been changed and only Hawaii is capable of doing that they now involved directly in the theft of Virginia’s number.
It’s clear that the HDOH is fully involved in the theft of Virginia’s BC#. Not only has the birth index been altered, but the database was altered so that Virginia’s record had a different name attached to it - so that when the database was queried for me, Virginia didn’t show up.
So the HDOH is fully engaged in this criminal identity theft. Somebody who can change the info in the database.
For your scenario they would have had to create a brand new record out of thin air and claimed it existed in 1961. That’s sort of what they do for adopted children, except that they still use the same BC# as a BC that DID actually exist. They can have two names show up under the same BC#, but only one of them is supposed to be legally valid at a time.
We have nothing that specifically dates any HI records for Obama back to 1961. Leo Donofrio had requested records in existence before Aug 11, 1961 that had caused the HDOH to claim on Obama’s posted COLB that the “date filed” was Aug 11, 1961. He originally got a response that no records existed. But he felt there was some wiggle room on that and when he pressed for an absolutely solid response they changed to say they denied him access. Which would normally mean they confirmed the existence of the documents. But they also used language that could be an attempt at giving a Glomarized response (not indicating whether or not the records existed). So we really don’t know for sure what they were saying. Unless they were giving a Glomar response, they confirmed that there were records for Obama which pre-dated Aug 11, 1961.
If that was a hospital-generated BC it would have been completed and there would be no need for the BC# mess. So it was clearly not a hospital-generated BC. If there was anything by Aug 11, 1961 it would have had to be something filed with the local registrar claiming a home birth.
Based on the tampering that was done on the birth announcements microfilms, I strongly doubt whether there was any birth announcement in the paper - which actually says nothing about whether the HDOH had anything for him, since Virginia Sunahara is known to have had a birth record at the HDOH and yet her birth announcement never appeared in the newspapers. Based on the numbers for the Aug 1961 Oahu births that are in the 1961 CDC Natality Report, there were a number of births that were not announced in the papers. So it is questionable whether those announcements actually came from the HDOH, IMHO.
Because of the BC# problem it seems clear that Obama didn’t have anything completed by the end of 1961. If the records that pre-dated Aug 11, 1961 were a registration of birth with the local registrar, it was left incomplete.
I’m sorry. I’m rambling. I suspect that Obama was born in Kenya and flew back via Canada. Madelyn Dunham tried to report the birth to the local registrar but didn’t realize they’d need to have a birthweight and the signature of a doctor who had examined mother and baby - which was not possible because mother and baby were in Seattle, never having returned to HI. She probably thought the BC was taken care of.
Obama requested his COLB sometime in 2006 when he was considering a run for the presidency and was told he didn’t have one, because it wasn’t complete. He got his commie doctor to sign an affidavit giving his birthweight, which was from the medical records which included the Kenyan BC that Obama had been using up to that time. That was the amendment he made in late 2006.
Then in 2007 he requested a COLB, thinking he would use it in case anybody put attention on him when McCain’s eligibility was becoming an issue. But he found that it had “ALTERED” on it, a BC# for 2006 (with an L in front of it, for “late”), and a note saying that a doctor’s affidavit of birthweight had been added in 2006. That wasn’t going to work, which is why he had to forge a COLB instead. Either he had the help of somebody at the HDOH to get Sunahara’s BC#, or he could have found the BC# himself after requesting a non-certified COLB for Virginia Sunahara based on Virginia’s birth announcement (which he found in the newspaper in the place which he later replaced with his own name, right above the birth announcement for Norman Asing’s son).
The point at which the HDOH would have HAD to be involved with altering actual records (rather than just covering for Obama’s forgery) is when they first claimed that Obama was in their birth index, which was after the election. The announcement they gave before the election was just that they had his birth certificate. They never claimed it was legally valid. To this day they’ve never claimed that their records for him are legally valid. The most they’ve claimed is that he is in their birth index, and to get him there they had to alter it to include legally non-valid records.
My mind is soggy; I hope this makes sense. We’ve been hit with a lot of loss today.
I just thought through what you said and what I said, and it appears that I’m saying that scenario is not only plausible but it’s actually my theory. lol
Long day.