Posted on 05/04/2012 9:51:48 AM PDT by C19fan
As 20,000 Mormons streamed from the church conference center, a ragtag group of protesters stood across the street shouting that the Latter-day Saints were going to hell. Mormon families, who had gathered here for two days of speeches and spiritual guidance called General Conference, ignored the hecklers or laughed and kept walking. This, after all, is a church accustomed to much worse.
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So, in other words, we are required to believe something (the Creed) that is not the word of God and is not found in the Bible in order to be considered Christian.
There is the rub though isn't it. You are asking to define what has already been defined by Christendom and rejected by the LDS. Christ is a specific person defined in a specific way belonging to a particular group of people who despite some often serious differences agree on the main points of the faith.
That is what makes this particularly egregious. It is as if the Jews all of the sudden want to be called Christian because while not being the savior Jesus was a great Rabbi.
Do you beleve in your Articles of Faith...
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17
James 2:18-20
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?”
the little (inconvenient) book of James. Largely ignored because it doesn’t fir the ‘doctrine of man”?
Ignored because it was written by James?
(James The Just was the blood brother of Jesus and leader of the church after Jesus, not Peter, until killed in 62 AD - Peter and John were his 2 counselors. All in the Bible - but inconvenient, so skipped over.)
Oh this is what I so love about the LDS. Even they can't agree on what they believe on a most important subject. We have on telling us of salvation by grace, no self works and another with the tried and true misinterpretation of James touting how much we need works...
And the LDS want us to agree they are Christians...
Christ does not "belong" to a particular group of people. Despite your attempts to claim ownership of Christ, He is available for everyone to worship and follow, even Mormons.
You opine: “One has to remember a mere 2-3 decades ago they eschewed the label “Christian”, now they want to be our equals and peers.”
Curious. Is that why the church has ALWAYS been named “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”?
Is that why the hymn most often heard in their gatherings is “I Know that My Redeemer Lives - What comfort this sweet sentence gives!
He lives, He lives, who once was dead;
He lives, my ever living Head.
He lives to bless me with His love,
He lives to plead for me above.
He lives my hungry soul to feed,
He lives to help in time of need.
He lives triumphant from the grave,
He lives eternally to save,
He lives all glorious in the sky,
He lives exalted there on high. etc
and this part of your statement says a lot - about YOU -”
“now they want to be our equals and peers.”
Ahahaha - How exalted you are ;o)
When I want to know about something or “opine” so as to sound like I have a clue - I like to first go to the source.
Maybe you should tell the LDS they don’t believe in Jesus CHRIST. They seem to think they do.
You are correct, he is there for all to follow, but you have to follow him, not follow whomever you want to and call that Christ...
Don’t accuse us of not agreeing on the subject of salvation just because you’ve never taken the time to understand what LDS believe. There is no disagreement with what I posted and with the “misinterpretation” of James.
Excellent point
You don't know your church history.
1830: Church of Christ
1834: The Church of the Latter Day Saints
1838: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
It went for the first 8 years as something else. There ya go folks, slap a bmw sticker on and call it a beamer.
Curiouser - why is their web site LDS.org instead of CJCLDS.org is Jesus Christ's name is so important?
In the end, who gets to make the judgement call on if someone is following the "true" Christ?
The LDS have misused the name of Christ for years but the term "Mormon" was what was desired, "Christian" was not, until the value of the "brand name" became important overseas and such. A simple but rather time consuming survey of older church writing and publications will reveal this trend. get coffee, it takes a while. Ooops I forget no coffee.
As far as having Jesus Christ in their name, just because I have a sign saying "garage" on my home doesn't make me a mechanic is one analogy I like...
And I have been to the source, in fact I can go lay my hands on their various doctrines and such like the BOM at my home right now. I have been telling LDS folks like you for along time they need to look at what they really say about Christ, what their leaders tell them and what the Bible really says. They need to determine if Polytheism and other issues are worthy of a “Christian”
They also need to stop pretending they are not LDS by speaking in the third person and such, I have never understood that around here...
If you are a Mormonophobe any one who doesn’t believe precisely as you do is condemned to hell.
What's to misinterpret? I copy/pasted the verses directly from the Book of James.
If you have a problem with it - you need to take it up with James?
His words are plain and simple - tho' inconvenient for some, who choose, therefore, to skip over that little book - AND the fact that it was JAMES the Just, blood brother of Jesus, who inherited to leadership mantle after the Cruxifiction.
And that after James was killed in 62 AD, another blood relative led the believers = and then another until so many of the Diaspora was killed and/or had to go into hiding - so the leadership could be usurped.
I posture it is PAUL that the real followers of Jesus should be having the problem with - as did James, Peter and John.
Oh contrair. What comes first orem - faith or works?
What comes first according to 2 NEPHI 25:23?
What comes first according to MORONI 10:32?
What does the Apostle Paul states in Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Because it's easier to type and remember. I don't think having people type lds.org instead of CJCLDS.org has anything to do with how they feel about Jesus.
Go to lds.org and the first thing listed there is "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints". In fact, right now the main item on the page is a video called "Jesus Is Baptized by John". I don't know how often that changes.
Because it's easier to type and remember. I don't think having people type lds.org instead of CJCLDS.org has anything to do with how they feel about Jesus.
Go to lds.org and the first thing listed there is "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints". In fact, right now the main item on the page is a video called "Jesus Is Baptized by John". I don't know how often that changes.
God made that judgment call a long time ago...
We cannot question if an idvidual who claims Christ with in our midst is a Christian, but if they are practicing some very unchristian ideas and worse teaching such then we are required to point that out...
By the standard you are trying to hold, a Muslim can walk up to me say he is a Christian and you would have me accept that as Gospel truth.
BTW I find it interesting you are avoiding my question about if you believe in your articles of faith...
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