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To: New Jersey Realist

Oh, and one more thing. NO ONE answered my original question which was: If I decide to run for president how do I prove that my parents are citizens? What is the process? Won’t someone step up the plate and take a swing at it?


193 posted on 05/05/2012 8:17:32 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

You could do it the same way Obama voted for in 2005; present a bona fide birth certificate. Too bad he won’t do that now for himself or his parents.


194 posted on 05/05/2012 10:01:10 PM PDT by edge919
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To: New Jersey Realist

Your question was answered, but you just dishonestly denied the answer.

The father for purposes of determining citizenship is typically going to be the legal father, and not necessarily the birth father.

Hawaii Revised Statutes
§338-12 Evidentiary character of certificates. Certificates filed within thirty days after the time prescribed therefor shall be prima facie evidence of the facts therein stated. Data pertaining to the father of a child is prima facie evidence if:

(1) The alleged father is:

(A) The husband of the mother; or

(B) The acknowledged father of the child; or

(2) The father and child relationship has been established under chapter 584. Data pertaining to the alleged father acknowledging paternity of the child is admissible as evidence of paternity in any family court proceeding, including proceedings under chapter 584. [L 1949, c 327, §16; RL 1955, §57-15; HRS §338-12; am L 1975, c 66, §2(2); am L 1994, c 23, §1]


200 posted on 05/06/2012 5:51:32 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: New Jersey Realist
NO ONE answered my original question which was: If I decide to run for president how do I prove that my parents are citizens?

I'll get to your other post soon, but I answered this question in other posts long before you asked it.

The answer is that, until Obama, the birth narrative of our presidents was never in question. Presidents came from prominent families whose backgrounds were well-known.

We do have the issue of Arthur, but it appears that Arthur did an Obama by hiding some family records. In Arthur's time, it was easier to do because the ability to cross-check information was not as easy as with the internet. And maybe, people took it less seriously because Arthur was running for Vice-President and people didn't think that the worst-case might happen. They do now.

Obama hid all of his records, including his birth documents, his school documents, his passport documents, and even his prior legislative documents, and in its place he offered his own self-serving autobiographical narrative which we're now learning contains "composites" of his life in place of actual people and events.

So, that was then and this is now. How do YOU prove it if you were to run for president? The first thing would be to establish your bona fides through public vetting via earlier elective office. People don't usually saunter up to the top position in American politics without first building up a political legacy of elective office.

In Obama's case, politically he avoided vetting in Chicago by using technicalities to drive his opponents off of the ballots, giving him essentially uncontested wins. In 2008, his campaign used the nation's "white guilt" to take many issues off of the table, including Obama's past associations and his unusual birth circumstance (made more unusual by his refusal to be transparent about it). There was, no doubt, Republican fatigue that was stoked in 2006, and played to maximum effect in 2008, but the Democrat's chose Obama over Clinton in the primaries also on the wave of "white guilt," as evidenced by the inside-the-party fight over the super-delegates. There was also the chicanery by the unions in the caucus states which Obama won, vs. the voting states that Clinton won.

I think that Obama's was a perfect-storm of circumstances that won't happen again.

-PJ

242 posted on 05/06/2012 11:07:38 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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