Posted on 05/03/2012 6:26:48 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
The truth:
ALL government owned and run K-12 schooling in this nation is a single payer and socialist entitlement. It is **compulsory** for all those children whose parents can not ransom them by way of private or home schooling. All government owned, single-payer, and socialist-entitlement K-12 schools in this nation are godless.
There is no more truthful way to say it. It is what it is.
Trisham please not that Wintertime claims she did not mention homeschooling in post #39, This is a prime example of her playing fast and loose with the truth.
Why are you refusing to answer these questions? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These questions are red herrings and not at all relevant to anything I have posted. I don't see homeschooling as being a solution to the problem of shutting down the government schools and/or providing an adequate education to the nation's children. Again: I seriously doubt that homeschoolers will ever be more than a single digit percentage of children of school age, even though I believe it is the most ideal way to rear and educate a child. That is all I will say on the matter in this thread, Homeschooling is NOT the topic of this thread. But...If it makes you happy continue barking about homeschooling. 55 posted on Sunday, May 06, 2012 6:24:54 PM by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies | Report Abuse] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: verga Why are you refusing to answer these questions? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please note that in post #39 I did not offer homeschooling as a possible solution to solving the problem of our ill-educated populace. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.
Really you want to say I am "confused" Here is a direct quote from YOU in post 39:
Finally, currently about 3 to 5% of the nation's children are homeschooled. Homeschoolinghomeschooled children **far** exceed institutionalized children in academic achievement. As adults, too, former homeschoolers have **far** less social pathology. These statistics can be found on the Homeschool Legal Defense Association website. While homeschooling is the most ideal way to rear a child to adulthood, sadly, not all children can be homeschooled, for many reasons: Selfishness, materialism, health, intelligence, illiteracy, poor coping skills, lack of discipline, extreme poverty, etc. on the part of the parents. These children will need to be institutionalized for their schooling. We need orphanages, too, but no one is claiming that this is the best way to rear a child.
I count you mentioning it 7 times. Would you kind enough to admit your error?
Please read my refutations of her posts and judge for your self. I just documented in post 62 one of many that she has been caught in
The horror!
Beleive what you will, I will glady stop when she pulls back from her constant attacks, like my hero Maharushie (Rush Limbaugh) I don't attack I defend.
I realize that your mind set prevents you from understanding certain truths, but try and pay attention here:In the late 1700's the founding fathers decided to form a new Government. Initially they tried the Articles of Confederation, but this was just a step above anarchy, so they created the Constitution authored primarily by James Madison. This Constitution was a representative democracy. Now pay attention, this is where it gets a little confusing for some people. In a representative democracy the PULIC elects men an women to represent them. This happens in school boards, and towns and villages, as well as cities and states. These representatives vote in a democratic fashion based on the beliefs, wants and needs of the people that elected them and sent them to office.
Further since it is public funds that are collected from the citizens that build and maintain schools that makes them public schools.
Just as we have public roads and buildings. Are you going to claim "this nation is a single payer and socialist entitlement.applies to the roads and buildings as well?
Now since I showed you that you did bring up homeschooling in post 39 please answer those previous questions I asked you.
Ok....I have a question for you.
Since I have been a child, ( I am now in my sixties), there have been many efforts to reform government owned and run socialist- entitlement and single payer schooling.
So?...After all the money and effort expended over so many decades why on earth would you think this socialist-entitlement and single payer institution of government schooling can be fixed?
Now since I showed you that you did bring up homeschooling in post 39 please answer those previous questions I asked you.
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I have not offered homeschooling as a solution. You asked a question about homeschooling and I foolishly answered instead of ignoring it.
It can’t be fixed. It should be dismantled, imho.
Since I have been a child, ( I am now in my sixties), there have been many efforts to reform government owned and run socialist- entitlement and single payer schooling.
So?...After all the money and effort expended over so many decades why on earth would you think this socialist-entitlement and single payer institution of government schooling can be fixed?
Several reasons:
I have seen an increase in the number of parents homeschooling, starting charter schools, and sending their children to private and parochial schools. Competition breeds quality improvement. The more options available the more pressure there will be to make improvements.
Second Our country is reaching a tipping point where we will not be able to afford to continue entitlement programs at the same level we are now. This will probably occur in the next 5- 12 years. At that time there will be a strong Conservative leader who will be able to make the corrections needed.
If you look at our history you will see that Great conservatives have risen to the top to lead us through difficult times. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan.
But that can't happen if people like you do nothing more than sit on the sidelines and whine.
It will take people like my classmates and myself that hold traditional values to make a difference. I see positive changes beginning already in my district due to people that are willing to work within the system. It won't happen over night and it will take longer if people like you continue to accuse us and try us out and make us feel guilty for trying to actually make a difference.
Now feel free to make one of you ignorant canned responses instead of giving this genuine thought.
Now that I answered you question how about answering mine.
My son is a homeschooler. Last year he took a first period Tech class at our local HS.
The first few days he would wait outside for me to pick him up. Many adults would approach and ask him what he was doing outside. He would explain that he was was waiting for a ride home.
He asked me why so many people had come out to check on him.
I told him the truth, they were afraid he was an escapee.
I am not getting into this useless argument, but I do need to bring something to your attention about this statement. McDonald's may be open to the public, however it is still a private establishment and in no way is equivalent to a state or federal park.
If I am the owner of that particular McDonald's I am perfectly within my rights as the owner to restrict who enters based on whatever criteria I choose - such as not permitting children under a certain age unless accompanied by an adult.
Unfortunately you are like far too many around here that equate being open to certain segments of the public with government operations. They are not the equivalent, nor will they ever be such.
That you do not understand the difference negates any credibility such an argument may possibly have had.
What a well thought out responsible thing to say. /SARC
I hope you later told him that they were concerned for his safety and the safety of the other students. That would have been the correct response as well as the mature responsible one as well.
One word: Beslan.
the owner to restrict who enters based on whatever criteria I choose -
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And....Government school boards do **exactly** that! “Public” school? Hardly!
Government socialist-entitement, single-payer, and godless schools rank among the **most** restrictive institutions in America ( public or private).
My apologies, FR - I meant to ping you to my comment at #73!
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT - WRONG
You equated a private establishment to a state or federal park - you are wrong. I told you I will not get into this useless argument, I was correcting your erroneous equivalency - if you can’t understand that, or get where your equivalency is incorrect, I have to wonder what else you don’t get or where else you are incorrect.
There are very few institutions in our nation has highly restrictive ( public or private, as in Mc Donalds or a federal park) as socialist-entitlement, single payer, and godless, K-12 government schooling.
To call government schooling “public” is a thumb in the eye to all those institutions ( private and public) are INDEED fully open and welcoming to the public.
Geeze! Can you imagine Mc Donalds or a federal park using the threat of police and court action to FORCE ( yes, FORCE) citizens to use its services.
Government schooling is an abomination and an assault on the freedom of conscience of human beings.
No, the point is you used a false equivalency and refuse to admit it. You also missed my comment saying I was not getting into this useless argument.
A private business in no way shape or form is the equivalent of a government operation. You claim them to be equal.
If you are so deadly wrong on this simple fact - I can only imagine what else you are wrong about - and since you refuse to acknowledge your mistake here it can no longer be considered a mistake, you actually believe that a private business, because it invites in the public, is equivalent to a government operation.
I have owned an operated businesses for years - I do not have to serve you or sell you my wares if I do not wish to do so and you can’t do a bloody thing about it.
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