Flooding the zone by the trolls.
The Wisdom of Crowds works best when the group involved is what FR used to be: passionate, with a majority or strong plurality with certain views in common, but willing to listen and debate honestly.
When too many trolls come on board -- and they need not be disruptive in the sense of strife, but just in the sense of refusing to listen or change their minds, continuing the refuted talking points -- then one of two things can happen, both bad.
First, the site loses cohesiveness and focus, and internecine warfare breaks out. Or second, there is a mass purge and the free-wheeling debate which led to everything being winnowed down to truth in very short order, goes by the wayside.
It used to be the "older" FReepers would act as unofficial shepherds to keep things in line: but with the succession of erstwhile conservative Presidential claimants (the more so as the Heiress Apparent held off due to a withering barrage from the Dems, and no support from the GOP, and trolls here stirring up dissension), where each claimaint had their own choir, and a failure to coalesce around ONE candidate -- the unity of the site broke up, to reflect the splintering of the party as a whole.
The REASON for this, is that the GOP has discovered the Dem technique of forking: pressing forward, being prepared to exploit whatever happens as though THAT had been your intent all along.
So, if Romney gets the nomination and wins against a weak Jimmuh Dhimmi Carter II, that "proves" that the big tent strategy worked; but if he loses, that "proves" that the purity fascisct social conservatives just gunked up the works.
Romney is the ultimate trojan horse of the GOP-e to try to separate the social conservatives from the fiscal conservatives. And if his flying monkeyshadn't stabbed Palin repeatedly beginning with the 2008 CAMPAIGN, and the rest of the GOP hadn't been having too much fun spending like drunken sailors (allowing Obaama to run to the right of them), and if Dubya had defended himself and provided for a viable successor candidate for the Presidency, we wouldn't be in these straits.
The GOP-e is trying the same technique here on FR.
That being said: I respect those who say "they cannot in good conscience vote for Romney". But I cannot in good conscience, allow Obaama a free return trip to the Oval Office. He bids fair to destroy the last bastion of freedom on Earth, the US: and on multiple fronts--the judiciary, converting our currency like unto that of Zimbabwe, destroying our economy through nationalizing energy, destroying our health care industry, and controlling the food supply as well as laws allowing the imprisonment and execution of US citizens without trial or counsel; not to mention unilateral nuclear disarmament.
All at the same time.
The problem is simply that we are in a moral dilemma NOW, due to concerted efforts by the enemies of morality and freedom over the past, say, fifty or sixty years. The sin is much more in those who were not sufficiently vigilant, rather than those of us left with no good choices in this last-ditch effort.
Pray. Work hard. Subvert the GOP from within -- see the Precinct Committeman Project.
NO Cheers, unfortunately.
I believe As one famous FREEPER said in a phonecon:
[OThuga] will shoot me in the head.
Romney will make me die of cancer. I’ll take the cancer because it gives me some time to put my affairs in order.
However, I do NOT BELIEVE AT ALL that our voting makes a bit of difference:
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29.”The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self createdscreen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
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105.”In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way”. Teddy Roosevelt
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1883: What part has Skull & Bones played in our elections? Professor Carroll Quigley was President Clinton’s mentor, and in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In our Time the professor revealed that William C. Whitney (S&B) and others, in the late 19th century, developed a plan to control both major political parties through financial contributions and have the two main parties alternate power so the public would think it had a choice.[7] \
Professor Quigley said Whitney’s plan lasted about 16 years, and after that, the “Eastern Establishment” (power elite) moved the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates toward the political center:
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While the Fabians were using education to move the public toward socialism, Rhodes Scholars were obtaining important posts in universities, and Carl Haessler (RS) was helping to establish Socialist Sunday Schools for younger people. [16] About the same time, socialist John Dewey, who had been mentored by G. Stanley Hall, who was brought to Johns Hopkins University by its president, Daniel Coit Gilman (S&B), was instituting “progressive education” in classrooms across our nation. [17] And like the RS influence in journalism, economics, and politics, Skull and Bones members also became involved in these areas. In journalism, Richard Ely Danielson would become the publisher of Atlantic Monthly, Russell Wheeler Davenport would become the editor of Fortune magazine, and Henry Luce would become the founder of Time. [18] Henry Luce’s biographer, Robert Herzstein, wrote:
“Early on, young Harry (Henry Luce) learned that a powerful circle of contacts and friends could move the world.”[19]
As far as Rhodes was concerned, his plan would be carried out via Rhodes Scholars and Round Table Groups, which grew out of his secret “Society of the Elect.” Rhodes’ secret society lasted almost six decades, by which time enough of his people had penetrated the areas of politics, economics, journalism, and education so that his “conspiracy” was replaced by a network of the power elite. [13] We know that the conspiracy lasted well into the 20th century, because in 1931 one of its key operatives, historian Arnold Toynbee, wrote:
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“We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands.”[14]
1919: After World War I ended, members of Cecil Rhodes’ Round Table Group (largely under the direction of Rhodes’ successor, Lord Alfred Milner) met with The Inquiry, led by Colonel Edward Mandell House. Working with the Fabian Socialists, they established the Royal Institute of International Affairs and its American branch, the Council on Foreign Relations.[23] The CFR was largely under the control of associates of J.P. Morgan, some of whom were S&B members such as Henry P. Davison and Averell Harriman.[24] Averell Harriman’s brother, E. Roland Harriman, was a member of the CFR; he was initiated into S&B in 1917 along with Prescott Sheldon Bush, George W. Bush’s grandfather.[25]
1928: H.G. Wells authored The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution. By then he had broken with the Fabians, not in terms of their goals, but only in believing that they should be open about their plan to synthesize western capitalism with eastern communism, and create a world socialist government. In a later book titled The New World Order, Wells said that many would die protesting against it.[26] In the same year as The Open Conspiracy was published, H.G. Wells received a letter from Bertrand Russell congratulating him, and saying:
“(Lord R.B.) Haldane (FS) would not forego the pleasure to be derived from the next war.”[27]
Bertrand Russell would later write that a “Black Death” or bacteriological warfare might be needed to cull the population.[28] Wells had already written that ‘they would have a cause that “would make killing worth the while.”[29]
40.”The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.
The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds’ central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.”
Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
Berit’s comment: These historical facts are not included in American social studies! But it’s not too late to take a look at the roots and rulers behind today’s political, economic, cultural and spiritual transformation. These handpicked leaders were chosen and groomed for their future roles as single-minded, pragmatic globalist change agents. According to their strengths and ideological compliance, they are placed where they’re needed — in banks, the media, U.S. Congress, government bureaucracies, etc. They despise our faith and values! In recent decades, potential young leaders have been brought together to be trained and tested at every UN Conference and many other global events.
Most of the above are from the first link below:
http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm
When too many trolls come on board -- and they need not be disruptive in the sense of strife, but just in the sense of refusing to listen or change their minds, continuing the refuted talking points -- then one of two things can happen, both bad.
First, the site loses cohesiveness and focus, and internecine warfare breaks out. Or second, there is a mass purge and the free-wheeling debate which led to everything being winnowed down to truth in very short order, goes by the wayside.
Brilliant, grey! You have the right of it.
Dang! Did you ever peg that one!!!
I dont think I have seen a single troll here on this thread.
I saw “Qlique”? zotted quick and fast, then I saw cooler heads. and many who begged to be zotted were spared.
The main point of this thread has evolved in to the notion that we are between a rock and a hard spot if we are not allowed to support the R nominee and beyond that we are supposed to pony up money while bad mouthing the R Nominee.
Many question the worth of sending money to thwart the GOP guy when the current occupant is he worst POS that the USA has ever seen
I do not intend to stick principle up my arse
I will vote down ticket to load the bases and I will vote Romney over Obama
Some look at this election from the perspective....if you were drowning whose hand would you take to pull you out of the water.....
Interesting concept.
There will be no 2016 election for conservatives to participate in if Barry's Marxist-packed SCOTUS (it will only take one loss from the five on the right) to impose the "fairness doctrine" to shut down any media which espouses conservativism, including FR. Defending marriage, life and Christianity, US sovereignty and resisting Sharia will be deemed "hate speech" long before 2016, IMO, if Barry is allowed to win in 2012. Churchill rushed all possible resources to save Stalin, a man he loathed, from Hitler because that was what was necessary to save the UK, and I believe that US conservatives face a similar repugnant choice and duty in 2012.