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To: BigCinBigD
See silly insults can go both ways. I don't begrudge anyone their faith. And as long as its harmless I even encourage it.

Actually, it wasn't meant to be an insult. I've met and/or seen online a number of atheists whose essential argument against "religion" is that because something bad happened to them when they were a child, often something fairly trivial, therefore God cannot exist, because otherwise He would have stopped it from happening. Often sounds more like an excuse, than anything else.

93 posted on 04/27/2012 5:47:19 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Ah, the old “Problem of Evil”...

I call it the “Excuse of Evil”. Because that’s what it is - an excuse to reject God.


96 posted on 04/27/2012 6:13:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Actually, it wasn't meant to be an insult. I've met and/or seen online a number of atheists whose essential argument against "religion" is that because something bad happened to them when they were a child, often something fairly trivial, therefore God cannot exist, because otherwise He would have stopped it from happening. Often sounds more like an excuse, than anything else.

Why would an atheist complain about 'something bad' that happened to them? "Bad" cannot exist in an atheistic universe. It is simply an event of determinism. It cannot be purposeful. If something is bad, its is purposeful. In the atheistic universe there are no objective moral absolutes and therefore, though there may be an opinion that something is 'bad', the atheist has no point of reference to make the assertion, and he certainly cannot account epistemologically for a value of an event....only an opinion, and if thought out, an opinion which is without foundation. He continually contradicts himself by complaining about anything. To complain about the inainity of the theist is, on its face, complete nonsense to the atheist. This is because without God there is only brute material. This material is ONLY responsive to the laws of nature and therefore everything, even what the atheist says is bad, is determined by those very laws which he champions as exclusive. Therefore the atheist can only say an event 'just is'. Any complaint about child torture, lack of civil rights and civil rights 'injustice', murder, rape, or any other 'event' is simply a determined occurance.

However, in a theistic universe, the God of creation is the creator not only of the material universe but that which is unseen....immaterial abstract universal entities. He is the creator of those absolute objective moral truths and therefore those with the JudeoChristian worldview can begin to make sense. In the atheistic universe those moral truths do not, yea, cannot exist. Now, we begin to see why the atheist says something is bad...because even the atheist has written in his conscience those laws, and this is why the atheist calls upon those moral truths, even while requiring logic and reason requires denial that the possibility of that moral truth even exists.

One of the atheists on this thread said the nonatheist cannot even formulate a formidable question for the 'atheistic scientist'. Consider this question.....'If God does not exist, why is there anything at all'? Aristotle said, NOTHING is what rocks dream about. So,...out of NOTHING, came everything? I wish some atheist would explain the epistemology and ontology of this claim.

99 posted on 04/27/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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