Posted on 04/26/2012 6:52:49 AM PDT by SumProVita
...boy recovers completely
Although a team of four physicians insisted that his son was “brain-dead” following the wreck, Thorpe’s father enlisted the help of a general practitioner and a neurologist, who demonstrated that his son still had brain wave activity. The doctors agreed to bring him out of the coma, and five weeks later Thorpe left the hospital, having almost completely recovered.
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What if He wants you to stop posting absurd questions?
Hath God said........
Let it go, arrogant doesn’t need your help.
You do know that the donatee can’t be physically dead to harvest organs, right? That the organs permanently degrade within seconds of the heart stopping. That’s why they take the heart out last. I had all this explained to me by a transplant doctor over dinner at his sister’s house. He was all for organ donation, it kept him in work, but he was brutally honest about how the organs are removed from still breathing people.
“Brain...damn near useless...”
I can SOOOO relate to that one!
ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks for today’s laugh!
I WISH they’d come up with a way to harvest and use excessive abdominal fat and skin, giving the donor a free tummy tuck in the process! I’d sign up today to be a donor!
I WISH they’d come up with a way to harvest and use excessive abdominal fat and skin, giving the donor a free tummy tuck in the process! I’d sign up today to be a donor!
These “still breathing people” are having their lungs inflated by the ventilator.
Part of the process of determining brain death is removing the ventilator to search for the gasp reflex...does the person’s brain have any ability to initiate breath.
This is one of many reflexes that are tested for - on top of brainwave tests and blood flow images.
I think that describing them as “still breathing” is misleading.
Did this doctor also “explain” to you that a truly brain dead person cannot possible breath on their own? Once brain death occurs, often well before in traumatic brain injury cases; the person is breathing only through artificial respiration and their heart beating only through artificial means? The reason for keeping a brain dead person on artificial respiration and keeping their heart functioning through artificial means, after several doctors have declared the person dead for all intense purposes, is in case there is a living will or other legal designation that states the person is an organ doner and or gives the family some time to consider organ donation.
I have designated myself as an organ donor and I have absolutely no fear what so ever that my organs will be “harvested” from me while I’m still functionally alive with any hope of recovery. And ziravan eloquently pointed out why organ donation is a good thing to do and what safe guards are in place to safe guard that those are merely unconscious or truly comatose and not brain dead are not harvested for their organs.
If I’m ever declared brain dead or with a brain with all the functionality and cognitive ability of a baked potato, I’d much rather be removed from artificial life support after having my organs and tissues go to someone in need as I have really no need for them anymore. I have no desire to have my dead brain and merely my body kept alive through artificial means to no other end other than just to keep my body, an empty shell of the person I was once was while “alive”, kept “alive” for or an undetermined time, weeks, moths, years, with great expense to my estate, and to my living heirs and for no good purpose.
This.
And I got with the program in '09, after reading Dr. Oz's "You: Staying Young" and "You: The Owner's Manual".
like Obamacare’s “duty to die”?
Also keep in mind that you should get a neurologist immediately in an emergency. Don’t let your loved one wait all night or all weekend in an emergency room after a brain injury.
Good for you.
Then I guess it would happen. Right?
I’m sure he doesn’t, but conversation with him is enjoyable and I like his comments.
That was his description. We also discussed the movie Coma at that dinner, a true follow the money moment.
to be “still breathing” on you own is - by definition - to not be brain dead.
You cannot be declared brain dead while you are “still breathing”
coma and brain death are two completely different animals.
If a person shows up in the ER truly brain dead and not breathing on their own then their organs will not be usable. If they are put on life support before they are truly brain dead we are back to the original question.
We humans are not as smart as we think we are. Here is a link proving why we shouldn't jump to conclusions, even educated ones: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/magazine/can-ambien-wake-minimally-conscious.html?pagewanted=all
with great expense to my estate, and to my living heirs and for no good purpose.
I guess it depends on who decides what a good purpose is.
My daughter showed up to the ER “not brain dead”.
Why?
Her pupils were still reactive to light.
Her urine output was normal.
Certain reflexes were still there.
She had been receiving CPR from a good samaritan at our accident scene.
Emergency responders continued artificial respiration for her during her ambulance trip.
Upon arrival at the ER she was placed on the ventilator.
She was transferred to another hospital where a team of doctors evaluated her brain function everyday.
After five days her brain began to lose more function.
Her pupils stopped reacting.
Her urine output increased.
More tests were conducted concerning blood flow and brainwave function.
Her internal organs began to shut down.
The ventilator was shut off to check for the gasp reflex.
They did an inner ear test to check for reflex.
Three doctors went through the brain death protocol checklist and confirmed she met all the criteria (you can google the protocol)
From the moment of our accident until the moment her heart was harvested to save the life of a 2 yr. old girl, my daughter was not “still breathing”. She was not drawing her own breath.
Thirteen years later her heart still beats.
I find it interesting that before organ transplants people were only in comas and no one was looking to take their organs. Now transplants are big business and more people end up declared brain dead.
Karen Quinlan was diagnosed as pvs.
We have learned that pvs can be misdiagnosed in as many as 40% of cases.
She was not declared brain dead.
You are confusing coma and brain death as well as smearing the people who are working these cases.
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