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To: sphinx
One problem with this scenario: If contributions to all retirement accounts become taxable income, then what's the incentive for anyone to save for retirement in a retirement account? A promise for a "Roth-like" future tax exemption that's not likely to exist anyway? LOL.

If the Federal government were to tax my 401(k) plan, I'd quit my job, cash it out in stages, and enjoy several years of leisure. Even with the 10% penalty for an early withdrawal, I'd still be paying less in Federal taxes in a lower tax bracket than I am right now.

Anyone see any holes in this plan?

32 posted on 04/22/2012 5:46:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Right now you get two benefits in a standard IRA or 401(k): the tax deferral of the initial contribution, and the tax deferral of the inside buildup. If I'm reading this proposal right, the proposed change would eliminate the former but not the latter.

You can play the angles on a regular IRA vs. a Roth; as a broad proposition, it's close enough to a wash that I don't think this change would much affect IRA participation. I suspect the same would be true for 401(k)'s; it's the ability to let your money grow tax deferred for long periods that provides the real benefit, not the initial deductibility.

37 posted on 04/22/2012 5:53:39 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Alberta's Child

If contributions to all retirement accounts become taxable income, then what’s the incentive for anyone to save for retirement in a retirement account? “

Are you telling us that something saving for retirement is not worth doing without a Gummint subsidy??

Hmmmm.....


39 posted on 04/22/2012 5:55:28 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, I can say that if this passes, the next day I would contact HR and stop my funding of IRA at work.

To answer your other questions, you are ASSUMING that they will not raise the penalty to something like 50% or more, or tell you that your money will be sent to you as social security when you retire at their preferred time and place.


43 posted on 04/22/2012 6:10:50 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Anyone see any holes in this plan?”

Higher tax brackets resulting from 401K contributions that would now be included in total taxable income, essentially a back door income tax increase.


44 posted on 04/22/2012 6:12:41 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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