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Stand Your Ground, America
American Spectator ^ | April 18, 2012 | PETER FERRARA

Posted on 04/19/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by imardmd1

A sober look at the case against George Zimmerman.

How do you stand your ground if you are lying on your back getting pummeled in the face? That one question alone shows that Stand Your Ground laws are not at issue in the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin controversy. But the tragic death of young Trayvon is only seen by those on the left as a valuable media opportunity to further exploit the millions of gullible Americans to advance the left's political interests and agenda. Indeed, we have some people in positions of influence, both leading politicians and figures in the major media, who see their interest as exploiting the death to incite race unrest across America. There is only one solution to this budding insurrection. Enforce the damn law!! That applies most directly in Florida now, where conservatives are in power, and they have to start acting like it.

The Perfect Resolution for Zimmerman

Enforcing the damn law is exactly what is happening now in the Zimmerman case, and it's the perfect resolution for all concerned.  . . . (cont'd at link)

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; fairtrial; martin; trayvon; zimmerman
A really excellent even-handed summary of the Martin/Zimmerman event, with recommendations for its resolution. A good reference to your less-informed acquaintances in this matter, and upholding the social value of the "stand your ground" law implementation for defense of personal liberties.
1 posted on 04/19/2012 11:45:53 AM PDT by imardmd1
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Recently, a black woman, Verna McClain, repeatedly shot an killed an unarmed white woman, Kala Golden Schuchardt, and abducted her three day old infant son, Keegan Schuchardt.
If Kala had been armed, perhaps she could have defended herself.

As it is, the silence from President Obama, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton has been deafening.

Keegan did not look the way the president's son might have looked, if he had a son. However, Verna McClain looks like she could have been the president's sister.

2 posted on 04/19/2012 12:01:42 PM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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While this may have gone on to be a competent an interesting article for some, stopped reading when I got to this bullsh!t—”Enforcing the damn law is exactly what is happening now in the Zimmerman case, and it’s the perfect resolution for all concerned.”


3 posted on 04/19/2012 12:12:48 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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Thank you


4 posted on 04/19/2012 12:32:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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You’re most welcome.... ;>)


5 posted on 04/19/2012 1:32:28 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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While this may have gone on to be a competent an interesting article for some, stopped reading when I got to this bullsh!t—”Enforcing the damn law is exactly what is happening now in the Zimmerman case, and it’s the perfect resolution for all concerned.”

I don't know what your problem is here, but apparently you like to go off half-cocked when you haven't even checked out what the author finished. He went on to say that the perfect solution is as follows:

"... based on what the established evidence on the public record indisputably shows, Zimmerman is going to be easily found innocent of the charges. That is more than well proven by eyewitness testimony and the physical evidence, despite what those who think they will benefit politically or socially from race turmoil want to believe."

I say that this case was disposed of originally and fairly by the primary investigation, until the media and race-baiting hate-mongers conjured up a complete distortion to bring on the necessity to reprove the matter even to those who are blinded by their hate.

Again, what's your problem?

6 posted on 04/19/2012 7:28:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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If Zimmerman were found innocent, we would be threatened with riots and told the verdict was “racist”.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 8:49:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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If Zimmerman were found innocent, we would be threatened with riots and told the verdict was “racist”.

You are right. The city of Sanford already found GZ innocent of any crime, based on immutable fact, and released him. Look what happened there after the national media agitators got busy.

8 posted on 04/20/2012 7:13:21 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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“Enforcing the damn law is exactly what is happening now in the Zimmerman case”

NO, that is NOT what is happening. What is happening is a political lynching, undue influence, and abuse. This is about political pressure to charge someone with a crime that has no evidence to support it. That is a violation of Zimmerman’s rights.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 7:57:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it ain't Newt, we're screwt !)
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As I have already posted, here is the problem.

—”Enforcing the damn law is exactly what is happening now in the Zimmerman case, and it’s the perfect resolution for all concerned.”

This is a lynching, motivated by politics and racism, built on lies and absent required probable cause. Zimmerman should have never been arrested, let alone charged.

It is NOT the “perfect resolution” to put this man through all of this pain and suffering. Period.

The actions by the State are not consistent with the rule of law or the constitution. It may make some feel better to see this man tried, but this should NEVER by about making some group of people feel better/good.

Go to the FR link and then to the article. After that, if you still disagree with me and again ask me, “what’s your problem?”, I’ll do my best to ignore you and deduct that you are too stupid to understand any further explanation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2874501/posts


10 posted on 04/20/2012 11:46:05 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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Moreover, economist John Lott, an expert in applying regression analysis to use of guns and violent crime, rightly argues that the most important issue is, "Did the [Stand Your Ground] laws increase total deaths? More criminals might be killed in justifiable self-defense, but if the number of innocent lives lost falls by more than the deaths of criminals rises, is that really a bad thing?"

Devil's advocate here: Who determines innocence? Even criminals have families. Now the public is expected to rule on this? The criminal's family (the Martins) wants justice for their "baby," who, for all intents and purposes, was gangbanger-wannabe.

This should stand as a warning to gangs as well. They could be reducing their ranks if they keep sending wannabe-gangster boys after armed citizens.

11 posted on 04/20/2012 11:48:32 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Go to the FR link and then to the article. After that, if you still disagree with me and again ask me, “what’s your problem?”, I’ll do my best to ignore you and deduct that you are too stupid to understand any further explanation.

Thanks for responding and clarifying your conclusion. It was beginning to look as if you didn't appreciate that the author has given the first overall summary I have seen that seems to be complete and fair-mindedly informative; and worthy of wider distribution.

I saw the post you linked to when it originally appeared, and agreed with it. Yes, I also have been following this from the point where somebody started building a fire under this incident, which to all purposes had already been resolved by the local authorities on the scene. Since then, folks everywhere have been jumping in left and right, often on incomplete, distorted, and/or completely fabricated "facts" and opinions, fanning the flames higher and higher.

The only way to shut them all up is to lay out the timeline and inescapable testimony that demonstrates to all exactly what happened in such a way that removes the circumstances from the realm of hearsay and opinion. Some FR contributors have tried to make sense of this.

I fully agree with you that incarcerating Zimmerman with the motive to make somebody with more influence feel good is abhorrent. But whether or not that was the motive neither you nor I know, although we may strongly suspect. But that is not now the issue in question. The only way to get the facts out of the court is to get Zimmerman in the court. Otherwise they are only jumbled hearsay.

The problem is that the mess is initiated by the agitators, the family, and the media, that the state must deal with. And they are in a pickle, in which the only way they have to prove to the faultfinders is to bring out all the facts in open court that will unarguably settle the issue. The media and the agitators must be denied any further rational grounds with which to continue and spread the filth.

The state also needs to somehow protect Zimmerman from the very real danger to Zimmerman of being out on bond with a bounty on his head, or of his death, promised by the terroristic NBPP. Florida is not going to get any help from the US DOJ against the New Black Panthers, so what do they do now? Call out the National Guard and provoke a bigger crisis? It's bad enough now.

The way out for the state might be to deliberately prefer charges that border on insanity, permissible within the scope of the law and the presiding judge, but have them pronounced as being wrongly placed when the jurors examine the body of facts, and prove the charges wrong; thus freeing Zimmerman from this predicament. If the state has any other mechanism than correctly using and enforcing the law to cause the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to be adduced and admitted by all, I do not know what it is.

Their tactic may look like railroading, but it is not lynching when the law is followed. If procedure is against the constitution, that also must be decided, not by you or me. And Zimmerman is not being put through this by the state. The city and the state have been maneuvered into an untenable position by these extra-legal power groups. Zimmerman is being put through this by the media and social agitators, as the author of the article points out.

But just remember, there is a stinking fly in the ointment upon which all of this hoorah and this trial hinges, and that is because one officer disagreed with the others, at the time insistently recommended that Zimmerman be charged, and the state's(?) attorney decided not to. That officer's intransigency is the root of the problem. That factor gave the family, Sharpton, Jackson, thr NBPP, and the media a stepping stone they would not otherwise have had to escalate the complaint to the public arena. Was he right? We'll find out. (He'd better not have been.)

I will say again, neither you nor I as onlookers have anything to add to this until the trial procedure, whatever the charges, comes forth being judicially proven and accepted.

I will also say that the insulting tone of your original response and of this one does not help your case at all. With respect, and thanks for telling what your problem is with accepting the value of the posted article ---

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Having looked at what has been posted so far, I have been licensed CCDW for several years, and have a sincere concern and compassion for what Zimmerman is going through, and the import it has for the rest of us in such a circumstance.

Furthermore, about 50 years ago I was a volunteer fireman, and we were in the position of, and called in to fill in for Rochester NY city hose companies who were used, and men hurt, in quelling the rioters. We were advised when we were called in, to bring with us every hydrant wrench we had -- we would need them to protect ourselves, not for operating hydrants. I know what this is all about.

12 posted on 04/20/2012 6:21:48 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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The way out for the state might be to deliberately prefer charges that border on insanity, ...

WHOOPS! I misspoke here! I did NOT mean claiming that Zimmerman bordered on insanity! I meant that the charges would be so ridiculously far from reality that they would be almost insanely not fitting! Sorry!

13 posted on 04/20/2012 6:35:07 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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