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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
A 'national emergency' leading to a declaration of Martial Law, leading to suspension of the November election?

There is no such thing as "martial law" in the United States.

It is not provided for in the Constitution, and it is specifically forbidden by Supreme Court precedent (ex parte Milligan) and by statute (Posse Comitatus Act).

There is NO CHANCE that civil or military authorities would support a supposed "declaration of martial law".

45 posted on 04/18/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble
What? I think you forgot that we have a regime who does what they damn well please. There's no Constitutional grounds for 0bamacare either.. Or challenging Voter ID Laws (which SCOTUS just upheld as recently as April 2008), or refusing to uphold DOMA or immigration laws which is a clear violation of his oath of office to do so. Let's not forgot the Libyan war not approved by Congress either. Anyway, you catch my drift. And with all due respect of course.

Martial Law wouldn't be called 'Martial Law' per se.. It would be a National Guard action, not all that unlike what occurred during the Watts Riots in the '60's or the L.A. Riot in 92.. Recent Executive Orders have expanded 0bama's powers when it comes to domestic military actions, and even killing American citizens without oversight. And so on, and so on. I wish your Constitutional citing had relevance but not under this presidency, unfortunately.

47 posted on 04/18/2012 6:10:18 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Jim Noble

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

ex parte Milligan

On September 15, 1863, Lincoln imposed Congressionally-authorized martial law. The authorizing act allowed the President to suspend habeas corpus throughout the entire United States. Lincoln imposed the suspension on “prisoners of war, spies, or aiders and abettors of the enemy,” as well as on other classes of people, such as draft dodgers. The President’s proclamation was challenged in ex parte Milligan (71 US 2 [1866]). The Supreme Court ruled that Lincoln’s imposition of martial law (by way of suspension of habeas corpus) was unconstitutional.

In arguments before the Court, the counsel for the United States spoke to the question of “what is martial law?” “Martial law,” it was argued, “is the will of the commanding officer of an armed force, or of a geographical military department, expressed in time of war within the limits of his military jurisdiction, as necessity demands and prudence dictates, restrained or enlarged by the orders of his military chief, or supreme executive ruler.” In other words, martial law is imposed by a local commander on the region he controls, on an as-needed basis. Further, it was argued, “The officer executing martial law is at the same time supreme legislator, supreme judge, and supreme executive. As necessity makes his will the law, he only can define and declare it; and whether or not it is infringed, and of the extent of the infraction, he alone can judge; and his sole order punishes or acquits the alleged offender.”

In this case, Lambden Milligan, for whom the case is named, was arrested in Indiana as a Confederate sympathizer. Indiana, like the rest of the United States, was part of a military district set up to help conduct the war. Milligan was tried by military commission and sentenced to die by hanging. After his conviction, Milligan petitioned the Circuit Court for habeas corpus, arguing that his arrest, trial, and conviction were all unconstitutional. What the Supreme Court had to decide, it said, was “Had [the military commission] the legal power and authority to try and punish [Milligan]?”

Resoundingly, the Court said no. The Court stated what is almost painfully obvious: “Martial law ... destroys every guarantee of the Constitution.” The Court reminded the reader that such actions were taken by the King of Great Britain, which caused, in part, the Revolution. “Civil liberty and this kind of martial law cannot endure together; the antagonism is irreconcilable; and, in the conflict, one or the other must perish.”

Did this mean that martial law could never be implemented? No, the Court said. The President can declare martial law when circumstances warrant it: When the civil authority cannot operate, then martial law is not only constitutional, but would be necessary: “If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society; and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration; for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power. Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open, and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war.”


48 posted on 04/18/2012 6:17:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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