Here are your presidential choices as it stands today

April 16, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Here are their positions on some major issues important to conservatives based on their actual records in government or past boasts.

Issue	Obama	Romney	Newt
Advocated that abortion s/b safe & legal in America	y	y	n
Defended Roe v Wade as settled law	y	y	n
Advocated for abortion for underage girls without parental approval with judge's ok	y	y	n
Supported planned parenthood	y	y	n
Introduced $50 taxpayer funded abortion	y	y	n
Supports homosexual agenda	y	y	n
Better for homosexuals than Ted Kennedy	y	y	n
Ok with homosexuals in Scouts	y	y	n
Ok with homosexuals in military	y	y	n
Supported and still supports global warming hoax	y	y	n
Supports gun control (so-called "assault weapons" ban)	y	y	n
Supports amnesty for illegal aliens (by any other name it's still amnesty)	y	y	n
Is undeniable father of RomneyCare	n	y	n
Is undeniable grandfather of ObamaCare	n	y	n
Still boasts that RomneyCare is great!	y	y	n
Still boasts that RomneyCare is a "conservative solution"	n	y	n
Still believes RomneyCare is constitutional	y	y	n
Still believes individual mandate ok at state level	y	y	n
Believes state forcing individuals to buy health insurance is a conservative idea	n	y	n
Believes compulsory health insurance with mandates and penalties s/b imposed on all states at state level	n	y	n
Believes compulsory health insurance at state level is constitutional (states rights)	?	y	n
Believes the state has constitutional power to force you into a private contract against your will for no other reason than you live there	y	y	n
Supports government "stimulus" spending claims more is necessary	y	y	n
Believes personal income tax should be cut drastically (15% flat tax)	n	n	y
Believes corp income tax should be cut drastically (12.5% corp rate)	n	n	y
Believes capital expenditures should be 100% expensed in first year	n	n	y
Believes capital gains tax should be eliminated	n	n	y
Believes estate tax (death tax) should be eliminated	n	n	y
Believes federal government must be drastically cut per constitutional limits	n	n	y
Believes unconstitutional federal functions like education should be returned to the states and people per tenth amendment	n	n	y
Believes social security/medicare s/b phased out/privatized/returned to states and people	n	n	y
Believes everyone at EPA should be fired and start over as an agency to look for solutions/not hinder industry	n	n	y
Believes the constitution restricts the government from infringing on inalienable rights	n	n	y
Appoints/supports/cowers to liberal activist judges	y	y	n
Will challenge activist judiciary	n	n	y
Believes in founding principles and has best conservative record to back it up	n	n	y

[caww]

Here's a good one for those who think voting Romney is the way to go:

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides....'Margret Thatcher'

[caww]

Here's a good one for those who think voting Romney is the way to go:

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides....'Margret Thatcher'

[SunkenCiv]

Whoops, and thanks onyx.

[MarMema]

Heh.

Marxist and sub-Marxist.

[FreeReign]

How ever easy you say it would be to do a third party, it would much much easier within the party. And a lot quicker. Whatever you say about Perot and Reagan applies within the party. And if you have a ‘new’ party, you still have to continue to do it there. It’s a never-ending fight. It’s the same fight, the same thing, the same people, the same work, staff, money, goals, the same electorate, etc. etc. The only difference is you don’t have to do all the stuff you have to do with a new party. If you can’t do it within the party, you can’t do it with a third party. And there’s no good reason to. It just makes no logical sense.

Hmmmm, I used say the same thing, almost word-for-word, over-and-over, on this board.

Now?...not so much.

Sure the same problems that happened in the Republican party would happen in a third party over time.

Same electorate, same media and same back-stabbing trolls sabatoging a party.

Starting out though, for a presidential election or two, maybe not.

[MarMema]

Look, someone will emerge as the protest candidate. Even if it's a write in. Voting for THAT candidate will send a message

Thank you. That is my plan as well. And at least I can sleep at night afterward.

[LibertarianInExile]

“Believes in founding principles and has best conservative record to back it up”

BWA HA HA HA HA HA...no, really...BWA HA HA HAHAHAHAHA...

This is the same Newt that in his 2008 book “Real Change” endorsed an individual mandate for health insurance.

This is the same Newt that loves anchor babies and chain immigration.

This is ol’ Nancy huggin’, global warming Newt.

This is the same Newt that screwed around on his sick wife. Er, sick wives. And this last affair was during the middle of the IMPEACHMENT OF BILL CLINTON, but he could not see past his own johnson to understand the damage this affair’s revelation could do. His instincts are all about Newt. Nothing about the Constitution. Nothing but Newt. Your list only makes the case against him further, in its damning with ridiculous praise for that pompous clown of a candidate, in its obvious failure to list his most glaring flaws.

No, I wouldn’t vote for Newt if he were the ONLY candidate running. If a man will screw over someone he’s pledged before God to be faithful to, why would he have any trouble screwing his constituents? Why wouldn’t he just flip-flop again, every bit as bad as Romney has?

[Defiant]

I think you are wrong on all of your points, and it appears you want to repeat them ad nauseum. Your anecdote about Texas seems contrived and counterintuitive. I think Texas was one of the states where Perot was most popular, even though GHW Bush represented Houston in Congress. You talk like they are hayseeds who couldn't read the paper and decide to vote for someone other than Mitt.

Make you next post, and then, please assume I have disagreed with it, and then you can make another after that. Assume I disagree with that one, too.

[D-fendr]

Glad to see someone agree with me. Sorta. :)

But:

Why wouldn’t you have the same problems and fights to begin with? Same disagreement on candidates, etc. Except you have to build a whole new apparatus in the meantime.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Who is more conservative? Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich?

[darrellmaurina]

Thank you for this chart.

[caww]

Well they also came together against Newt...Dole, Christie, Delay, McCain and a host of them charged about the same time when Newt was leading....they are one organized bunch of hoodlums hanging onto their “dream candidate” Romney.
They’ aren’t about ready to let Newt take this....and if he rises again they’ll be strong arming and calling in their chips on any who might come out and endorse Newt....

They’re an evil bunch they are! ..and why so many call politicians evil.

[D-fendr]

The anecdote is true, and being counterintuitive is what helps make the point.

But.. Okie doke, will do.

What makes you think your, or a, new party will fare any better than the Reform Party? Who is your candidate? For President? For Congressman of the 14th district of Florida?

[Windflier]

"Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides." - Margret Thatcher

"There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right." - Ronald Reagan

[Alamo-Girl]

Excellent, indeed. Thank you so much for the ping!

[caww]

So we wind up with a milquetoast duffus, like McCain who handed the election to Obama, who played by the Marquess of Queensberry rules while Obam was pulling out the brass knuckles!... And you somehow imagine Romneyboy or Paulnut might have a chance of taking on the Obama Machine? Oh yea, right....

I honestly don’t care about what happened in Newt’s marriage..... God certainly gave King David a green light so I'd certainly have no problem believing Newt too was forgiven.....further he spoke openly about his repentance...I've never once heard Romney do so...the most you hear from him,on all the childrens blood he has on his hands, is.."I made a mistake"...and even then it certainly wasn't and isn't believable.

Newt has gone through three marriages. Big deal. At least he married them.

But I don’t want to marry him... I want to vote for a candidate that will go after Obama with rhetorical claws and fangs,.. brass knuckles and switchblades.... I want a candidate that will eviscerate him and stuff his guts down his lying throat...... I want to elect a president who will save my country for my children and their children — and for me, for however long I have left on this Earth.

Additionally....Newt Gingrich was the single most effective Speaker of the House we have had in our lifetime and we lost BIG when they hounded him out of office..... I cannot think of a single individual in this country more suited to be the kind of president we need to move this country away from where it's headed......not one. (Borwrd)

[FreeReign]

Glad to see someone agree with me. Sorta. :) But: Why wouldn’t you have the same problems and fights to begin with? Same disagreement on candidates, etc. Except you have to build a whole new apparatus in the meantime.

Fights within a party are okay, just as long as there aren't saboteurs working to take advantage of the disagreements and there isn't a Romney-type waiting in the wings.

It all depends on what would happen faster.

Good supporters moving toward a third party or saboteurs and the media moving in to destroy the third party.

[billys kid]

Romney to Stake Claim to Nomination at RNC Meeting Friday
My Foxdfw.com ^ | April 16, 2012 | none given

Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 11:45:24 PM by 22cal

(Fox News) - PHOENIX — Mitt Romney will address the Republican National Committee meeting of state party chairmen this Friday in Phoenix, where he will stake his claim to the GOP nomination and call upon party leaders to unite, FOX News Channel reported.

The meeting will be attended by more than 40 of the RNC’s 50 state GOP chairmen, along with 200 additional officials, activists and political professionals as they gear up for the fall campaign to oust President Barack Obama.

Read more on myFOXdfw.com: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/romney-to-stake-claim-to-nomination-at-rnc-meeting-friday-dpgonc-20120416-bb_19207501#ixzz1sGVTMKQ9

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxdfw.com ...

[caww]

Heads up!....Mitt Romney will address the Republican National Committee meeting of state party chairmen this Friday in Phoenix, where he will 'stake his claim to the GOP nomination'

Looks like he's going for the gold...and the GOP is more than happy to welcome him....trying to one up again on Newt before he gains any momentum or takes this to convention.

I don't imagine Texas is going to like this one bit! or any other state who hasn't had their chance to vote.

GOP is playing hardball and telling the people they're appointing their man!

Worse than disgusting I say...

[Norm Lenhart]

Exactly the scenario that could cause a good leader to step forward and say “BS”, make his/her case, then drive the conservative base to new pastures.

Will one?