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To: montanajoe
The evidentiary standard is clear and convincing (eg 90% sure) vs beyond a reasonable doubt (eg 99% sure).

Can you source this? The articles I have read say that the standard of proof is "preponderance of the evidence" - that is 50%+1.

114 posted on 04/13/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative; montanajoe

You’re right, he’s wrong. ;-)

Another little item rarely reported is that the Stand Your Ground law provides that a person acting in self-defense is accorded immunity from arrest, prosecution or civil liability. That’s immunity not just a presumption at trial.

Thus its the state that has the burden of preponderance of the evidence at a motion to dismiss and at trial “beyond a reasonable doubt” to overcome the defendant’s immunity.

To arrest however all they need is probable cause to believe that self-defense aspects do not apply eg bad guy was the aggressor, had no fear for life or limb, etc.

There will be a motion to dismiss because its a free “shot” at dismissal - worst case you go to trial maybe after an appeal or two and the news has long moved on to the next “outrage”.

Just so you know. ;-)


127 posted on 04/13/2012 7:04:08 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: CA Conservative
The Florida stand your ground statute in and of itself does not spell out the burden of proof. The immunity motion to dismiss will therefore argue the appropriate burden. I have no inclination to argue the cases supporting my position in a public forum let the other guys get the big bucks :).
The State has undoubtedly anticipated this challenge and will prevail. Don't forget an average state prosecutor has a conviction rate of 80+ percent. I have no doubt the homicide prosecutors assigned to this case have a 95%+ conviction rate.

A common misperception of the public and unfortunately many conservatives in particular is that there is a black and white statute someplace that covers everything. That is wrong.

The Florida trial court will accept the clear and convincing burden and deny the motion.

On the other hand should the court go for a preponderance standard the motion will still be denied but it will telegraph the courts predisposition to yield to public pressure in this matter.

132 posted on 04/13/2012 10:27:10 PM PDT by montanajoe
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