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California Declares War on Suburbia, Planners want to herd millions into densely packed corridors
WSJ ^ | April 9, 2012 | Wendell Cox

Posted on 04/13/2012 4:03:19 AM PDT by opentalk

It's no secret that California's regulatory and tax climate is driving business investment to other states. California's high cost of living also is driving people away. Since 2000 more than 1.6 million people have fled, and my own research as well as that of others points to high housing prices as the principal factor.

The exodus is likely to accelerate. California has declared war on the most popular housing choice, the single family, detached home—all in the name of saving the planet.

Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house. State and regional planners also seek to radically restructure urban areas, forcing much of the new hyperdensity development into narrowly confined corridors.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: opentalk

Your friendly, brilliant, really-really smart Progressive apparatchiks at work. /S/

IMHO


21 posted on 04/13/2012 4:48:44 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Yorlik803
Its not just California.

The national population shift from rural to urban has been underway for decades. Some would say that it is wise for CA to plan for this, that is the Public Purpose.

Also the population shift from the northeast, Ohio valley, and Great Lake states to the south, southwest, and west.

Also, the western plains and intermountain deserts are de-populating.

The author of this article, Wendell Cox, has two websites, Demographia and The Public Purpose, that deal with this.

Look at a state like Texas and the politics of rural vs urban is simmering just beneath the surface plus the needs in the state for water, power, roads, and pollution control, etc to accomodate the population growth as yankees and Californians move in.

22 posted on 04/13/2012 4:49:12 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: opentalk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2709310/posts

VAN JONES SHOCK ADMISSION [in his own words]: “Goal is Complete Revolution”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4Z0V0zNQg
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Here is the transcript of the above YouTube video:

“Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said OK now we want reparations for Slavery, we want redistribution of all the wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages. If we’d come out with a maximum program the very next day, they’d been laughed at. Instead they came out with a very minimum. “We just want to integrate these busses…”

But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1964 to 1968 complete revolution was on the table for this country.

And, I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to something eco-capitalism where at least we’re not fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No, it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond the systems of exploitation and oppression all together. But, that’s a process and I think that’s what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the CRISIS is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats that people are willing to be both pragmatic and visionary.

So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.
SOURCE for this transcript (it matches the video):

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/09/02/van-jones-obamas-green-czar-%E2%80%98green-jobs%E2%80%99-goal-is-%E2%80%98complete-revolution%E2%80%99-away-from-%E2%80%98gray-capitalism%E2%80%99/


23 posted on 04/13/2012 4:52:55 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: Kozak
Oh, they'll find a way to keep existing home prices in the basement or force them to fall even further. They don't just want to change the way everyone lives, they want to punish those who prefer the suburban home to the urban penalty box. They'll make sure a lot of homes are foreclosed, cease to police areas with a number of foreclosures, and once there enough houses stripped by vandals condemn everything whether it's still in good shape and occupied or not.

Go back and look at how they forced a lot of black middle class businesses out of business and condemned whole black business districts when LBJ decided it was time for black folks to come to heel rather than half of them still voting Republican. The Great Society destroyed most of the black middle class in the South as far as their continuing to be self-employed rather than employees. When the fascists decide to move "the masses" they have plenty of clubs and even a few incentives. The incentives are reserved for those they think may be useful to them at some point.

24 posted on 04/13/2012 4:57:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: opentalk

I always thought Agenda 21 was a bunch of overblown hooey.

Not anymore!


25 posted on 04/13/2012 5:00:53 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: opentalk
I have no objection to suburbs as long as they're not built on Civil War battlefields. What I do object to is the suburban entitlement mentality regarding roads. Let's take away eminent domain and tax subsidies for roadbuilding and see how cities develop in a real free market.

If people want to trade off a hard commute for a bigger house and yard, that's their choice. But people who make that choice should not expect government to destroy other people's neighborhoods to shave a few minutes off their drive times. Roads are a convenience to those who use them, but they are also noisy, dirty, and barriers to non-motorized traffic. The people whose neighborhoods are degraded by new roads deserve as much say as the commuters who just want an expressway to work.

Oh, well. It's a beautiful day. Most of my coworkers were on the road an hour ago. In another 15 minutes, I'll be hopping on my bike for my 10 minute ride to the office. All I'll say now is that we ought to build cities with an eye towards mixed use neighborhoods and reduced commutes. The suburban commuter drill should not be the unquestioned default option. We have bollixed up our cities and created innumerable social and economic problems with lousy planning over the last 50 years, and the overemphasis on cars is one of the root issues. That's not a problem that can be solved overnight, but we can chip away at it if we keep our eyes on the ball.

26 posted on 04/13/2012 5:01:53 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: BuffaloJack; opentalk

These planners (read communists) will probably want high rise though.


This brings to mind a “Project” in Chicago... I believe it was called Cabrini Green. A hellmouth on the face of the earth is what it became.


27 posted on 04/13/2012 5:03:23 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: opentalk

http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/387/bridging_the_green_divide?page=2
The problem makers-—the warmongers, the polluters, the clear-cutters, the incarcerators-—get all the support they need from the government. The problem solvers-—the solar engineers and the people who are growing local and organic produce-—get very little support…
…We have to find union-wage jobs for low-income people, and those are just the sort of jobs that building a sustainable infrastructure will create.
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It would be arrogant for anybody to say that twentieth-century capitalism is the last word for humanity; that we will never invent a better way to allocate wealth. But even if capitalism isn’t viable in the long term, there is no way to get to a postcapitalist world except by going through a green-capitalism phase. I think there will be a postcapitalist society. I can’t predict what it will look like, except to say that it won’t resemble the last century’s attempts in that direction. The immediate challenge, however, is to make capitalism as green and humane as we possibly can. Doing that will conceivably buy us a few more decades or centuries on the planet.


28 posted on 04/13/2012 5:04:15 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: BuffaloJack

Imagine this, they want 20 or MORE per acre.
Take off the 8 feet per side plus the easements demanded for utilities and you would have about enough room to park a single axle travel trailer. And a lawn chair.

But the Planners won’t live that way. count on that.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 5:11:18 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: opentalk

Use google earth to look at California. Most of the state is undeveloped. California is not running out of space to build homes on.

This is not about the ecology or because there is no room for more homes, this is about control, nothing more, nothing less.


30 posted on 04/13/2012 5:23:28 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem it has a spending problem)
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To: sphinx

Roads are a convenience to those who use them, but they are also noisy, dirty, and barriers to non-motorized traffic.


You make some interesting points, however history shows a few different things. Cities CANNOT exist without roads, the roads are absolutely necessary to the transport of food and raw materials from the regions outside of the city boundaries for the consumption of the city dwellers. In return the cities provide creative arts and new technologies among many other things. And those things benefit us all.

Also another point, those smelly noisy automobiles and trucks you appear to dislike? they were hailed and praised as a solution to horse “pollution”. So unless you and your fellow city dwellers are prepared to bring in those needed commodities on your own two feet; trucks, autos, trains and ships are here for the time being.


31 posted on 04/13/2012 5:25:46 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: MamaTexan; opentalk

1/4 acre lots are quite crowded. The normal 1 acre lots are much nicer ~ you find them all over the Midwest. BTW, to get your septic tank to perc you really do need 1 acre ~ can’t imagine how California is ever going to get rid of that septic odor that follows the freeways. Doesn’t really rain there either like where I was born: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Flooding_Seymour%2C_Indiana.jpg


32 posted on 04/13/2012 5:26:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CIB-173RDABN
this is about control, nothing more, nothing less.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What do slave holders control? Answer: Food, housing, transportation ( movement), clothing, and healthcare.

So?....In which direction is the U.S. moving?

By the way....When the oligarchy starts rounding up the dissenters they won't use cattle cars. They will use big yellow school buses and the sheeple will compliantly board them. Why? Because that is what the government trained them to do.

33 posted on 04/13/2012 5:29:07 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Haddit

-—The immediate challenge, however, is to make capitalism as green and humane as we possibly can.——

Besides being on the wrong website, you’re also wrong. The West is facing a population IMplosion.

US population would be in decline except for Mexican immigration.

There won’t be anyone left to pay your SS.


34 posted on 04/13/2012 5:31:37 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Kozak

How’s that?


35 posted on 04/13/2012 5:34:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: muawiyah
1/4 acre lots are quite crowded. The normal 1 acre lots are much nicer

Its why we bought 4+ acres in an unincorporated area where you can have only one house for every 2 acres.

I can't imagine having to live where every move is dictated by some pencil-necked bureaucrat and everyone is packed together like sardines!

[shudder]

36 posted on 04/13/2012 5:37:27 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: sphinx

“Let’s take away...’ ‘We ought to build...’

Assumption of a controlling class of the usual leftistist bureaucrats who have the power of coercion. The central planners who move human beings around as if they were plastic pawns.

The only people who benefit from this is the controlling class. The don’t care about the disastrous results of coercion and central planning, they come out on top.

All you have to do is look at the past. The total destruction of black communities in chicago and elsewhere when public housing took over. go look at the Youtube videos taken from old 60’s news reports of Martin Luther King enthusing about the wonderful new public housing in Chicago.

It never works out; always destruction of communities, extended families, self-reliance. Descent into thuggery gangs dependency and addiction. But hey; the bureaucrats who say things like ‘Let’s take away...’ and ‘We ought to build...’ live well, so that’s all that matters.


37 posted on 04/13/2012 5:59:49 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb

Cincinnati City Council destroyed existing businesses downtown using eminent domain as part of their master plan ,and promoted sports complexes that lose money .Great leaders.

The nation’s biggest problem is all the people who believe the government can and will give them something for nothing,that government money is free and andless, and other fairy tales.


38 posted on 04/13/2012 6:15:08 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: opentalk

Several years ago, Maryland’s governor, a Dem named Parris Glendening, had the state adopt a “no growth” plan.

The result was inadequate infastructure (road weren’t maintained, schools didn’t get built, water wells weren’t drilled) and as a special blessing, property values skyrocketed, commutes took longer (more gas was wasted) and there was a serious water shortage in Frederick County! Just in time for the housing downturn!

Oh, and who was Parris? Oh, you must remember him! Stuffed the ballot box in Baltimore County to win his first term, bankrupted PG County as the county executive and knocked-up one of his young staffers.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 6:21:50 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: clee1

Im told its all about the nice weather. LOL, guess they dont get out much...


40 posted on 04/13/2012 6:32:23 AM PDT by 556x45
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