Campus Police Detain and Draw Weapons on Student Activist for Wearing Empty Holster

Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 9 April, 2012 | cbaus

[El Laton Caliente]

In John Lott’s book he stated his research showed LEO’s shot the wrong person 12% of the time. CCW holders about 1%...

[ConservativeMind]

Post of the day!

[OneWingedShark]

>That veil of protection needs to be pierced for law enforcement at all levels.

Very much agreed; I am currently thinking of tackling the situation in my current state via its own State Constitution. (Which prohibits laws creating another “class of citizen,” I’m currently working on an argument that all the exceptions for “law enforcement” create a de facto second class of citizen: one which is exempt from many laws.)

[QT3.14]

-- If you think about it he was really detained for a thought crime.

[morphing libertarian]

Its clear you haven’t been paying attention to police shootings for the last 15 years.

If you want to pull a dark object out of a holster as the police come upon the scene, go ahead and do so. Just don’t ascribe that type of idiocy to the rest of us.

You can either respond to the realities of life or live (or die) in a fantasy world.

[Loyal Sedition]

The proper response would be fifty or more students wearing empty holsters next time.

I used to be unhappy I never had the chance to attended college, now I’m glad.

[W. W. SMITH]

Citizens with no criminal record should be able, at will, to carry, concealed or open, any firearm they please, hand gun or long gun, anywhere they please without let or hindrance by government authorities.

[Gilbo_3]

okay, so the catchall 'disorderly conduct' charge is often used when someone open carries and possibly causes some random citizen to wet their panties...how the hell does an empty holster scare anyone ???

this guy being 'high profile', needs to file civil suits against the individual cops, their dept, as well as the universoty president and any of his admin that supported him for Rights deprivation and RICO too...

until this starts happening, the bullies with badges and ivory tower types will continue to use government guns on the citizenry...

[Gilbo_3]

Wear a holster? Where is the gun? There lies the problem as a policeman sees it.

or, to follow that logic, *Dont* Wear a holster? Where is the gun? There lies the problem as a policeman sees it.

same difference...

before long, everytime i see a cop gun, im going to consider calling in a man with a gun report...see if barney can find his own ass with both hands...literally...

[stephenjohnbanker]

” this guy being ‘high profile’, needs to file civil suits against the individual cops, their dept, as well as the universoty president and any of his admin that supported him for Rights deprivation and RICO too...”

YES!

These nervous nellies would faint if they went out to a grocery store in AZ. Guns everywhere : )

[Gilbo_3]

Id like to read it when its done, if thats possible...

[starlifter]

Hmmmmm......and where do you live?

[starlifter]

Upon reflection...let's assume you know/knew police killed or wounded by gunfire in the line of duty. That can include cops who shot themselves or were shot by other cops.

Your post seems to imply then that those who were not killed or wounded by gunfire do in fact support a totalitarian state.

[from occupied ga]

That veil of protection needs to be pierced for law enforcement at all levels. Anyone who is authorized by the state to use deadly force against the citizens of this country bear an extra burden of conduct.

I agree.

[Toadman]

Take a group, identity, category, professionalism; cherry pick the very worst among them, then apply to all their ilk. Sounds like an Alinsky tactic (i.e. democrat tactic).

I could apply the same tactic towards everyone from Georgia. However, I'm not a bigot.

[from occupied ga]

Simple math will show that I have worked with at least 4 officers who were killed or injured by gunfire in the line of duty

It all hinges on what you mean by "worked with"

Let's assume that you work in one of the most dangerous cities - Baltimore and looking at the number of police killed by gunfire in the the last 20 years we get seven. The Baltimore police department is a bit over three thousand officers and a number of non-sworn employees. You didn't say they were friends, only that you worked with them. So, for example if you worked for the Baltimore PD, and you claimed that you worked with all 3000 then technically speaking you are correct.

However, if by "worked with" you mean on a day to day basis and that they were actually friends, then the numbers become tenuous. Looking at the typical number of friends from SNA (150) and saying that about 1/2 are from work, we get 75 or the odds that you actually knew any one that got killed are 75/3000 or .025. The odds of your being friends with two of them drop to .000625 or 1 in 1600 with three the odds drop to 0.000015625 or 1 in 64,000. You can see why I have a problem with what you said.

[from occupied ga]

Take a group, identity, category, professionalism; cherry pick the very worst among them, then apply to all their ilk

Who's cherry picking the worst? News reports of police abuse are common almost reaching the dog bites man status.

[TalonDJ]

Its clear you haven’t been paying attention to police shootings for the last 15 years.

Just because some police have been incompetent boobs does not mean that a citizen 'deserves' to get shot for doing something perfectly legal. Are they likely to get shot? Yeah probably. But you did not SAY that. You said they deserve it. That is a whole freaking different thing.

[morphing libertarian]

If you pull a dark object out of a holster when the cops are working, you deserve whatever reaction you get. It seems we disagree, but I would be glad to present your eulogy and tell folks you believed you didn’t deserve what happened to you and that you knew some cops were incompetent, but you decided to test the water anyway.

You’re one of those rare people who would rather be right and dead, rather than safe. My sympathies to your family.

[Respond Code Three]

Your curiosity about me is kind, however it contributes no useful information to the thread. Bye for now, and I look forward to your contributions on further threads regarding police matters in which I might participate.