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To: ravager

I don’t care about the US giving aid to Israel, other than that I am glad that it isn’t my taxmoney being robbed in the name of charity. You criticised Britain for selling advanced weapons systems to Saudi Arabia, America does the exact same thing. What America gives to Israel in aid is irrelevant, it doesn’t change the fact that they are selling more high-res gear to the Saudis than we are. Do you think that Britain is somehow honour-bound to pay tribute to the Israelis to soothe their butthurt over arms sales to Arab nations?

Israel doesn’t desperately need Britain on its side, but given Israel’s precarious lack of friends and unenviable strategic weakness, its own interests are best served in trying to make friends, not engaging in petty spite.

Now, try and imagine, if you can, you are a grown-up for a second. What has Israel got to gain? Israel’s defence sector would receive a boost by selling this weapons system to the UK that would help fuel the Israeli economy, contribute towards allowing the defence sector to expand in size and capability, and form trade and military links that will gain the Israelis a measure of political influence in Whitehall.
Of course, Britain could just maintain all its important trading links with the Arabs, but if that is the case, it isn’t suprising if Britain will tend to support the Arab world if it is almost completely in their interests to do so. This is what countries do. They look after their own interests. Israel, if it has grown-ups in charge of sound mind and with an IQ in treble digits, will understand what I am saying and will be keen to promote trade, military and political links with other countries in order to dilute Arab influence over them.

Your argument against selling this UCAV to Britain is based on emotionalism and irrationality, mine in favour is based on logic and reason.


26 posted on 04/09/2012 11:15:54 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
“I don’t care about the US giving aid to Israel, other than that I am glad that it isn’t my taxmoney being robbed in the name of charity.

You are glad? Your own British tax money has long been robbed in more ways then whatever Israel could have taken out of American taxmoney. You should know that.

“America does the exact same thing. What America gives to Israel in aid is irrelevant, it doesn’t change the fact that they are selling more high-res gear to the Saudis than we are.”

America does a lot more to keep Israeli military edge way above any county in the middle east. Tell me what UK does for Israel? The correct answer is ....nothing.

“Do you think that Britain is somehow honour-bound to pay tribute to the Israelis to soothe their butthurt over arms sales to Arab nations?”

Exactly! Britain is a Muslim tool. So why would you care? You would rather bend over backwards to stick another embargo to soothe the Arabs butthurt over Israel. (Remember Gaza war when UK slapped embargo on Hermes drone engines supply?) Yeah!

“Israel doesn’t desperately need Britain on its side, but iven Israel’s precarious lack of friends “

Barring the Muslim countries, Israel actually has plenty of friends.

“Your argument against selling this UCAV to Britain is based on emotionalism and irrationality, mine in favour is based on logic and reason.”

My argument is very much based on logic and reason. Just because you haven't been able to figure it out doesn't mean there isn't any. Its is a bad idea to sell weapons to a hostile country. Its is not emotionalism or irrationality, (and I am not against trade in general) but it is plain short sighted and criminally stupid to sell weapons (of all things) to a hostile country. Israel should have learned her lesson with respect to Turkey by now. Its a tad too late to suspend military sales to Turkey now. Regardless of your lame logic, appeasing enemies with weapons has always proved to be a bad idea and has always been more costly in the long run. And Britain doest even have a huge weapon import market for Israel to lose much. At least nothing they cannot recover by selling to other friendly countries elsewhere.

27 posted on 04/09/2012 12:19:19 PM PDT by ravager
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