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To Enroll More Minority Students, Colleges Work Around the Courts
New York Times ^ | April 1, 2012 | RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA

Posted on 04/01/2012 7:29:06 PM PDT by reaganaut1

With its decision to take up racial preferences in admissions at public colleges, the Supreme Court has touched off a national guessing game about how far it might move against affirmative action and how profoundly colleges might change as a result.

But no matter how the court acts, recent history shows that when courts or new laws restrict affirmative action, colleges try to find other ways to increase minority admissions.

The aggressiveness of those efforts, and the results, vary widely by state, but generally they increase minority enrollment — though not as much as overt affirmative action once did. And they have tended to help Hispanic applicants far more than blacks, at least partly because of the demographics of the states where they have been tried.

Texas and a few others, for instance, compare students with their high school classmates, rather than with all applicants, resulting in more enrollment from poor communities. Washington is among the states that give added credit in the admissions process to students who come from poor families or excel at troubled schools.

Other colleges have spent more time recruiting in underrepresented communities. And the University of California system tries to weigh a student’s life beyond grades and test scores — which, critics say, sometimes amounts to giving racial preferences without acknowledging them.

Even if the Supreme Court limits the options, college and universities will “be seeking diversity by any legal means possible,” said Ada Meloy, general counsel of the American Council on Education.

But a decision overturning affirmative action could produce a national pattern of more liberal states going further to mimic the current system than more conservative states.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; college
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Since the average IQ of U.S. Hispanics is about 90 and blacks about 85 (compared to 100 for whites), any college admissions system based on academic achievement will admit too many whites and far too many Asians (who tend to study hard, in addition to having 3-digit IQs).

Cut federal funding to "higher" education.

1 posted on 04/01/2012 7:29:12 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

This is a classic example of the liberal motto: “With my guilt and your gelt, we can do anything!” Does anyone really think that these tax supported tenured left wing lunatics give a rats rear end about fairness, merit or even the law?


2 posted on 04/01/2012 7:35:17 PM PDT by allendale
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But no matter how the court acts, recent history shows that when courts or new laws restrict affirmative action, colleges try to find other ways to increase minority admissions.

Translation: No matter how strongly racial discrimination is outlawed, left-wing racists in the admissions offices of many colleges will find a way to improperly and illegally use racial discrimination to bias their admissions decisions in favor of minority applicants who do not have the academic qualifications to be admitted without stacking the deck in their favor.

3 posted on 04/01/2012 7:35:52 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: reaganaut1

Dumping more taxpayer dollars in the “education” toilet.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 7:41:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to WEAN the government off of our money.)
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To: reaganaut1

Q: So where’s the ‘diversity’ in college and U. presidents and deans?

A: There isn’t any because these hypocrites will gore other oxen but not their own (or their “little darlin’s”)


5 posted on 04/01/2012 7:43:21 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Tawana Brawley, Anita Hill, King Rodney, OJ, Duke Lacrosse, Thugvon Martin. See a pattern?)
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To: reaganaut1

My company (a multi-national) keeps sending out this crap about “diversity is good.” They never say WHY this is so, it is a stake in the ground.

In some specific markets, it is all about “diversity.” You have to understand the cultural norms. Don’t stare down Japanese. Emphasize family to Latinos. Don’t put Turkish and Armenians in the same room...

That all makes sense.

It isn’t the same as saying “Diversity Is Good.” It has no inherent benefits beyond perhaps interesting cultural anecdotes.

“Diversity” judges someone by what he/she is (color, ethnicity, nationality, etc.). It is the antithesis of the American standard of judging someone by what he/she DOES.


6 posted on 04/01/2012 7:51:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003

Diversity is good ONLY when liberal whites are in charge. Like what my Filipino bud tells me, that the most racist people he’s ever met were white liberal democraps.

They keep preaching multiculturalism is awesome yet they themselves have absolutely no non-white friends in their circle and live in white neighborhoods.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 7:54:19 PM PDT by max americana
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To: reaganaut1

They would be better off graduating fewer minorities with better skills than the present policy of running them through to boost the numbers.

They graduate far too many minorities who cannot speak understandable English or function at the college level.


8 posted on 04/01/2012 7:59:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: max americana

>>They keep preaching multiculturalism is awesome yet they themselves have absolutely no non-white friends in their circle and live in white neighborhoods.<<

I spent nearly a year in Seattle. It is nice when you can pass legislation for people who will never get within miles of your lily-white gates. If it doesn’t apply to real people, then it has no cost but you can sleep like a baby thinking “I am good person... but Lord keep them picaninnies away from me.”


9 posted on 04/01/2012 8:00:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Iron Munro

>>They graduate far too many minorities who cannot speak understandable English or function at the college level.<<

barry the zero and his wife, moochelle, both were the recipients of EEO. It doesn’t matter whether the thumb is on the scale for the dumb or smart, that thumb is always there.

I assure you, should I need heart surgery, I won’t hesitate to ask, out loud, “was the thumb on the scale when you went into, and then completed, Medical School?”

Same for a lawyer.

That massive thumb is always there. And the liberals put it there.


10 posted on 04/01/2012 8:04:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: reaganaut1

Whatever the average IQ of any group, folks who enter college and graduate have a higher IQ than the average member of their group.


11 posted on 04/01/2012 8:10:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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12 posted on 04/01/2012 8:11:43 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: reaganaut1

Why is it so damn important to enroll MORE minorities in colleges? It means nothing if they are not equipped to succeed there without special treatment.

Why not have it reflect a genuine percentage of those who are qualified and able to be there?

We are not supposed to give a damn about skin color and race and the left thinks skin color and race is THE ONLY WAY to measure success. It’s time to end all this crap regarding skin color and race.


13 posted on 04/01/2012 8:16:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1

I have been “friends” with Jennifer Gratz on FB for at least six months. We had the pleasure of meeting with both Jennifer and Ward Connerly a few years ago when they passed through town, and wanted to show support as well as give our then young teenage daughter a chance to ask questions.

April 1st was the anniversary of the USSC case that should have banned colleges from using racial preferences in admissions. She related on FB how all the tickets were gone and her immediate family waited on the steps outside — through freezing rain and snow — for uncertain seats. When they finally opened the doors, Jesse Jackson and his entourage pushed by, jumped the line and took up the front row.

She graciously called it ironic. It was despicable.


14 posted on 04/01/2012 8:18:56 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Iron Munro

LOL. Like Otis Mathis, the illiterate Detroit school board president.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 8:19:15 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Secret Agent Man

The fact that standards must be lowered for minorities in law enforcement, amongst other things, might help answer that question.


16 posted on 04/01/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: mrsmel

This fact alone makes people more distrustful of law enforcement they have to deal with today.


17 posted on 04/01/2012 8:24:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1

Let’s see:

1. racists have always worked around court decisions saying the constitution does not allow you to be a racist in government.

2. these racists are always Dims.

So it is not exactly news that racists at American colleges and universities are following the traditions of their predecessors in the Dims party and once again working around court decisions to remain racists.


18 posted on 04/01/2012 8:28:47 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: reaganaut1

I expect the Court will pare back race-based affirmative action quite a bit. It survived for a long time because Sandra Day O’Connor had a soft spot for it, but Anthony Kennedy doesn’t, and there are four justices more conservative than him. A 5-4 win is good enough for me!


19 posted on 04/01/2012 8:30:14 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: reaganaut1

Prop 209 was modeled on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, almost verbatim. I guess that’s why the left wants it thrown out.


20 posted on 04/01/2012 8:59:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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