Posted on 03/27/2012 5:32:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the neighborhood watch volunteer who eventually shot to death the unarmed 17-year-old, then climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities told The Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities said.
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Fine by me.
new cell phones are required to have a system to send a location to police when 911 is called. This is because a significant portion of the population has gone wireless.
It should be easy enough to plot the locations of the parties.
"In retrial of interstate kidnapping resulting in death case, trial court did not err under FRE 106 Rule of Completeness in excluding self-serving exculpatory statements of the defendant or hearsay statements by his attorney in a recorded jailhouse phone call, parts of which had been offered by the prosecution regarding the defendant’s plan to kill certain witnesses, because FRE 106 does not render otherwise inadmissible evidence admissible, in United States v. Lentz, 524 F.3d 501 (4th Cir. May 12, 2008) (No. 06-4691)"
The defendent has every right to submit a statement regarding his innocence and the circumstances surrounding the charges against him. It is up to the prosecution to prove that he is lying.
Oh, I dunno. If police officers handcuffed me and put me in the back of a squad car (have you ever been in one? hard plastic seat, grill in your face, doors that don’t open from the inside) and took me to the station, and I was not free to go - well, I would consider myself arrested - stopped - interfered with, even if not charged.
At which point I would read myself my rights, and get a lawyer. In a case like Zimmerman’s, medical attention and documentation.
>>Martin, of course, had no recording<<
No, he didn’t. Is there a recording of the girl’s call?
Had he been the scared little boy that the press is making him out to be, he would have called 911. I would have, even my 12-year-old says she would have.
Both people were picking for a fight.
I spent a number of posts a few days ago, first hinting (because it's better if a person figures out the legal framework), then giving up that the answer lies in the difference between hearsay and direct evidence. What I got for thanks was being called stupid.
They can be written documents, such as a letter stating something like..."You know I wasn't there...". Such a statement in a letter (or email) is worthless as proof of anything without the person to whom it was addressed acknowledging that it is a true statement. The same is true of un-corroborated statements to LE.
Self-serving statements are any self-exculpatory statements that lack neutral corroborating evidence or eyewitness testimony. Zimmerman's statement to Sanford PD meets this definition.
I provided one of many decisions that are out there to be found.
How about instead of giggling you provide one that supports your assertion.....
I'll wait, knowing that you won't because you can't.
That's fine by me, too.
All that means is that at that time, there was not probable cause for an arrest, or that they didn't think they could get a conviction. Investigations are ongoing.
You are creating a scenario out of thin air simply to fit your belief. That is sad.
Honestly, you seem to have Mr. Zimmerman pegged as an out and out vigilante bent upon hunting down the next black person he sees on the street and outright murdering him. I'm sincerely not even trying to exaggerate. This belief of yours, which is not currently supported by any known facts, has severely tainted your judgment over this incident, IMO.
If YOU were stupid enough to start assaulting someone who was following you but not threatening you, you deserve to be shot, IMO. I've been in similar situations before, and one where a man was getting ready to draw a gun on me until I answered his question. As soon as I answered it, the situation defused and we both went on our separate ways.
Why didn't your advocate simply respond truthfully to the questions posed to him? That behavior makes me believe he was up to something. But again, I can only draw such a conclusion from the known facts, and from what we currently know, your assertions are absurd, IMO.
>> “Self-serving statements are any self-exculpatory statements that lack neutral corroborating evidence or eyewitness testimony. Zimmerman’s statement to Sanford PD meets this definition.” <<
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Why are we not surprised to see that you are a part of the lynch mob?
You are on record opposing everything FR stands for.
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A lousy attempt at sarcasm doesn’t make for fact.
The idiot gangbanger wannabee got shot for brutally attacking another person. I don’t see a problem with that at all.
How that happened and what happened asocciated with it makes the difference between murder, manslaughter and self-defense.
At first I felt, based on the media coverage, that Zimmerman was clerly in the wrong and should have been arrested. But as time has gone on and as facts come out I see why the police did not do so. Zimmerman's condition and injuries, and eyewitness accounts that cooberate Zimmerman's statement are making it more and more clear, IMHO, that Trayvon turned and assaulted Zimmerman without any real cause other than he did not like the guy following him.
Trayvon had a right to be in the subdivision as long as he committed no crime. Zimmerman, conversely had the right to observe and even follow Trayvon as long as he committed no crime.
If the truth is that Trayvon confronted and attacked Zimmerman, then he initiated violence and when he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground, Zimmerman had the right to defend himself.
A Grand Jury, if necessary, will decide. If it is so obvious that a Grand Jury is not necessary, then the facts of the case are so clear to the investigators that the conclusion is obvious.
We'll see...depite the MSM, the left, and even the President's efforts to the contrary.
How that happened and what happened asocciated with it makes the difference between murder, manslaughter and self-defense.
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There is nothing "clear" about this.
It is not known by the public whether Martin turned and confronted Zimmerman, if Zimmerman continued to look for him ("these assholes always get away") or if they bumped into each other.
Nor is it known who said the first word, who closed the gap or who threw the first punch.
Zimmerman's statement is not evidence or proof because it is self-exculpatory and not supported by neutral third-party statements or proof such as a CCTV tape.
For the record, based on what is known via Sanford PD docs and tapes, I do not think that Zimmerman can be charged.
A NEW White PANTHER Leader has put a 20k bounty out for the new black panther leader.......
That aside:
based on what is known via Sanford PD docs and tapes, I do not think that Zimmerman can be charged.
That is because apparently the Police have two eyewitness accounts and their statements that do cooborate Zimmerman's statement and the injuries he suffered and his condition and that of his clothes when found by Police.
As I said, all of the evidence will be gathered and analyzed, and there will either be a Grand Jury or not based on that evidence.
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Exactly.
Now, if it turns out that your assertion that the police do in fact have witness statements that corroborate Zimmerman's statement that he was attacked then his statement would no longer fit the definition of self-serving.
But, the Sanford PD have not released any such statement.
Trayvons cousin is very active on twitter. He and Trayvon tweeted each other frequently using that account name. As far as I know, from everything I have read, no family member disputes that this was his Twitter account.
Sigh...
Right here: Sanford, FL Press Release
If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman “are you following him”. Zimmerman replied, “yes”. The call taker stated “you don’t need to do that”. The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
According to the Sanford, FL police, Zimmerman's official statement was that he was returning to his truck when Martin attacked him.
Satisfied?
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