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To: BlueStateBlues

If he can avoid the angry, now-fully race-baited lynch mobs. I hope he/his family stays out of sight and safe, and that the atty gets him a fair hearing, under these threatening circumstances. Sounds like a lot more facts to come out, but the mobs won’t care, I’m afraid. They’re in for his head.


6 posted on 03/24/2012 4:39:14 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: carriage_hill

It’s good he’s still carrying. Wanted dead or alive? Why aren’t the people promoting those posters being arrested? The main reason the police can’t arrest him is they don’t have a charge that will stick, so this new grand jury will have to twist the facts to issue an arrest warrant. I heard that Keith Obermann was wearing a hoody last night, so for me the entire case has crossed the line into unintended satire.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 4:45:45 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . 2012 for change, this time for the people)
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To: carriage_hill

Based on just the facts we know, this is going to be a very difficult case for the State of Florida to resolve.

I’m unclear about something that the Florida “stand your ground” law covers, maybe a Florida CCW aware FReeper can help me out.

Clearly, you can’t use deadly force in a fight you provoke and then plead self-defense. I think that’s true everywhere, whether or not there is a “stand your ground” law.

Clearly, the “stand your ground” law eliminates a “duty to retreat”, which includes by implication a “duty to de-escalate”.

But the right to use deadly force to remain in any place you have a right to be (sounds good, I’ve supported it for NH) seems to create ambiguous situations like this one. This fight, which escalated to deadly force because Zimmerman was in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm might have escalated BECAUSE Zimmerman was armed. IOW, without CCW PLUS “stand your ground”, Zimmerman might have de-escalated.

“Stand your ground”, in order to be good law, has to cover all kinds of people in all (normal and expected) mental states, all the time. I’m not sure that “stand your ground” doesn’t set up situations like this one for recurrence.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 4:49:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: carriage_hill
" but the mobs won’t care, I’m afraid. They’re in for his head."

Sadly you are right.
The facts won't make any difference. Yesterday a black leader said they wanted justice, and justice was Zimmerman being convicted.
So much just does not add up here. I really hope we get to the truth but the race batters have poisoned the well and we will NEVER know the truth, unless the truth is that Zimmerman murdered the kid in cold blood.

20 posted on 03/24/2012 4:58:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am the Only Daddy that will walk the line. . . . . . .)
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