Posted on 03/22/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by libstripper
The father is identified in some reports as living in this development.
http://www.trulia.com/homes/Florida/Sanford/sold/25266156-3210-Retreat-View-Cir-Sanford-FL-32771 has a pretty good map ref for the entire street called Retreat View Circle.
There are 4 7/11s out on Route 46 ~ reasonably walkable for a kid, but there's also a small shopping center FAR CLOSER. This particular community is the low budget location ~ the surrounding properties are higher cost.
But what do the cops know. The MSM, Al Sharpton, the CBC, and other assorted Leftists all know better.
Please, your attempts at apples and oranges are ludicrous.
Zimmerman didn’t simply do something stupid, he created the confrontation.. Walking through a rough neighborhood doesn’t create a confrontation.. shadowing someone, stalking them, who is doing nothing but walking down the street and then confronting them when within physical contact is not remotely the same.
Zimmerman wasn’t just walking down the street, minding his own business and was suddenly assaulted by martin, attempting to portray it as that is idiotic, and that’s being generous.
Zimmerman 100% created this situation, he stalked Martin, tailed him, got so close that a physical altercation happened. Martin didn’t go up to Zimmerman, he was by all accounts walking down a public street.. Trying to equate what Zimmerman did to just some person walking down a street and being mugged doesn’t remotely hold water.
Zimmerman, 100% created the situation. I don’t know about you, but when I got someone stalking me, I ain’t going to be friendly when they grab at me, or come within striking distance. Zimmermans actions completely created the confrontation, he has absolutely no merit to claim self defense. This overzealous wanna be cop bit off more than he could chew, and when it didn’t go the way he wanted, he shot the guy.
Zimmerman isn’t a victim, he’s an idiot with a gun who gives all gun owners a bad name. Rule number one of being an adult, let alone a gun carrying adult, is DON’T GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE. Zimmerman clearly went looking for trouble, made repeatedly bad decisions and created the confrontation that lead to the situation. He has no grounds for self defense.
You start a fight with someone, then you are on the losing side of it, you can’t claim you engaged in self defense.. YOU WERE THE INSTIGATOR. Zimmerman was clearly the instigator of this situation, without any question.
He’s no victim, just an idiot.
After a few minutes looking at a better map of the area I can't imagine that Zimmerman, if he really lived there, could have difficulty providing an address for the location. Follow his words. He referred to 111 as the best address he could give. That's an Orthodontists in a nearby business zone ~ not at all where this kid was shot.
No bias there.
Actually such behaviour by Zimmerman WOULD invalidate any attempt by him to claim a Stand Your Ground Defence.
Bring your witnesses in for a sworn deposition. Now that your boy is revealed to have told the dispatcher AN ADDRESS that’s not even inside the bounds of the “gated community”, all your hypotheticals are revealed to be just so much garbage.
Martin still had a right to be where he was. Zimmerman has yet to be demonstrated to have had a right to follow a guy around a public street stalking him.
Funny that your next paragraph has enough 'conclusions' to close the case.
I get it, you've decided that you know what happened. Fair enough.
Just don't act like you are being open minded.
You are clearly ignorant of the facts, your work is one of fiction, complete and utter.
He reported this guy from his car, he was told they would send a patrol and not to follow the guy.. Zimmerman not only continued to tale the guy, he got out of the car, stalked him and got close enough for physical contact, your attempt at he was just pretending to be neighborly is a complete work of fiction.
You want to be neighborly you don’t call the cops first.
You want to be neighborly you don’t stalk someone first in your vehicle and then on foot.
You want to find out what they are doing as a good neighbor you don’t need to be within physical contact to ask them a question.
You live im a world of absolute dillusion if you think what you presented remotely fits reality.
What you have is a wanna be cop, who bit off more than he could chew, nothing more.
I am so sick of every time someone does something completely and utterly stupid with a gun, the riff raff comes out of the woodwork doing handsprings of logic and reality in attempts to defend it. A few year ago a guy shot a kid in the back for playing ding and dash, and folks just like you jumped through the same idiotic arguments trying to defend the fool with the gun. Its like clockwork when this sort of thing happens. Need to stop the insane groupthink and wake up.
Not everyone with a gun deserves defending, when someone does something incredibly stupid with a gun, they need called on it... and this guy did so many stupid things, he has no case for self defense, none. Its not the MSM, that’s fact.
Keep living in your dream world, but when this guy goes up on charges, and pleas or gets convicted, you can feel safe that while your grand dillusion continues to exist in your mind, the real world didn’t buy into it.
You are the only one spinning hypotheticals here.
How do you know? You seem dead set on considering only that which confirms your position even if it's complete fabrication.
The fact is we don't know. Who does? The police. My only hope is the facts, rather than public pressure, guide their decisions.
More projection. What I have is from the scant information the police have released and the parts from sources that aren't subject to editorializing.
What you have is delusion spun from race baiting hate mongers.
Keep living in your dream world, but when this guy goes up on charges, and pleas or gets convicted, you can feel safe that while your grand dillusion continues to exist in your mind, the real world didn’t buy into it.
And you are equally delusional to think that a 6' 3" male pounding on you doesn't deserve a bullet.
I know, but idiots like this show up everytime someone with a gun does something incredibly stupid.
I’m as pro 2nd ammendment as they come, but you don’t defend everyone who does something with a gun, when someone does something STUPID and WRONG, you call them on it, not invent leaps of logic to try to defend them.
I had these same arguments about the child molester than killed that little girl in California, some folks were jumping through hoops trying to defend the guy, because in their mind he didn’t look the part, and the fact their parents were swingers was more an affront than the overwhelming evidence that this guy abducted and killed their little girl.
A few years ago another fool with a gun shot a kid in the back who was ringing doorbells and running away, same stupid arguments and dillusions were regurgitated by folks on that case as well.
Now we have this one. Its absolutely idiotic. Zimmerman claiming victim status, or someone else claiming it for him is absolutely dillusional. I can understand why the cops at the scene initially did not arrest him, as they probably had no access to the 911 calls etc, just the witnesses and Zimmermans account. In the wake of those calls however this guy should be charged, he has no claim to self defense.
Based on the evidence to date it is absolutely clear Zimmerman went looking for trouble, and frankly, while no one but God and Zimmerman know, I suspect highly this idiot was the first to actually make physical contact. He decided he was going to play cop, and it backfired big time on him. He’s got no self defense argument to stand on.
That's the evidence.
The cops simply dropped the ball on this one. It does appear the neighborhood watch guy shot and killed one of the neighborhood's kids.
A grand jury will hear this on (I believe) April 10.
Thinking back on it, the last event we had like this was up in Wisconsin where an Hmong guy hunted some hunters.
He used a self-defense argument ~ then they found he'd shot unarmed people.
No doubt his argument seemed airtight until a bit of investigation revealed otherwise.
I'd bet we still have some Freepers who think the Hmong guy acted in self defense though. After all, he had a gun, and gun owners are always right ~ but sometimes they aren't, and occasionally one of them might be up to no good.
Thinking back on it, the last event we had like this was up in Wisconsin where an Hmong guy hunted some hunters.
He used a self-defense argument ~ then they found he'd shot unarmed people.
No doubt his argument seemed airtight until a bit of investigation revealed otherwise.
I'd bet we still have some Freepers who think the Hmong guy acted in self defense though. After all, he had a gun, and gun owners are always right ~ but sometimes they aren't, and occasionally one of them might be up to no good.
Zimmerman is being tried and found guilty in the court of race baiting public opinion and the media.
The police are handling this in a manner which indicates the evidence tells them that Zimmerman has some probable defense in the SYG interpretation. They are behaving as if they don’t want to go any further with this in fear of losing any potential civil lawsuit against them by Zimmerman for false arrest, etc.
How Zimmerman interacted initially with Martin or vice versa, is not known. But as the evidence indicates, Martin obviously started getting the better of Zimmerman, enough so that Zimmerman felt threatened enough to use his firearm.
Now all that’s left for some is the hanging of Zimmerman I guess, especially some of those here on FR who are opining with an incomplete set of facts in their little bag of tricks.
The bastards in the media and the race baiters are doing their jobs well.
It’s interesting that just a few years ago, the race baiting NACCP and others, wanted to “wait for all of the facts to come out” when some black females in Long Beach were yelling racial epithets at whites and subsequently beat a bunch of them down in what was obviously a racially motivated attack. Funny, they don’t appear willing to “wait for all of the facts to come out” here.
"...neighborhood's kids" LOL. How about a neighborhood "visitor". Of course it doesn't carry that needed familiarity angle you need.....
>>>Zimmerman didn’t simply do something stupid, he created the confrontation.. Walking through a rough neighborhood doesn’t create a confrontation.. shadowing someone, stalking them, who is doing nothing but walking down the street and then confronting them when within physical contact is not remotely the same.<<
Where is the evidence that Zimmerman “confronted him with physical contact”?
If someone follows me around a gated community, that I don’t live in, am I allowed to start pummeling that person, (causing him to bleed from his nose and a wound on the back of his neck) tell him I am going to kill him (as Zimmerman claims Martin did) and go for his gun?
Now, if Zimmerman actually attacked Martin first, all bets are off, and Zimmerman should go to jail. However, I have not even heard that claim made, much less any evidence to support such a claim.
Are you really stating that if I get close enough to a young 6’3” thug that he can chase me down and start beating me, I “100% created the situation”?
Some of you guys belong at DU or on the payroll of the Natinoal Action Network.
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