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To: Lukasz; AAABEST

The New Testament does NOT teach that Israel is no longer the Jews home

I am so frustrated how many people, (not meaning you, but people in general), just run with an idea without actually reading what the Bible says

An ENTIRE Chapter of Romans is dedicated to stating that God is NOT done with Israel, and when it was written, ISRAEL was still Israel, before the diaspora

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 ( According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.

The rest of the Bible spells it out, also, God is keeping His promises to Israel

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts [is] his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

God promised Israel they would ALWAYS be a people before Him forever, and he promised them that land, too!

Num 34:1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 34:2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this [is] the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, [even] the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:)
Num 34:3 Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward:
Num 34:4 And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadesh–barnea, and shall go on to Hazar–addar, and pass on to Azmon:
Num 34:5 And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea.
Num 34:6 And [as for] the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border.
Num 34:7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor:
Num 34:8 From mount Hor ye shall point out [your border] unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad:
Num 34:9 And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazar–enan: this shall be your north border.
Num 34:10 And ye shall point out your east border from Hazar–enan to Shepham:
Num 34:11 And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward:
Num 34:12 And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about.
Num 34:13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This [is] the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the Lord commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe:
Num 34:14 For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received [their inheritance]; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance:
Num 34:15 The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan [near] Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

And I admit, I am offended by the immature knee jerk reactions by certain freepers.

I didn’t post this to be about Catholicism.

I posted this about CHRISLAM, something major protestant denominations are involved in, that is why the links I posted at the top are about CHRISLAM, and not the chatechism,

But, I will repeat those links for those who just came to argue, and not read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

http://www.chrislam.org/

http://apprising.org/2011/02/22/the-rise-of-chrislam/

but maybe it is necessary to do that right now.

FROM THE CATECHISM:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

The Bible teaches no such thing. Islam denies Jesus is the Son of God, denies He died on the cross for our sins, denies He rose again the third day, denies salvation by Grace Alone, denies Jesus was born of Mary through the Holy Spirit, and denies that Jesus is coming again in the end times to SAVE ISRAEL.

The God of Islam is NOT the God of the Bible.

but the Catechism says He is.


60 posted on 03/22/2012 2:51:35 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: RaceBannon; Lukasz
Race, again you are wrong.

. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," --> God has a plan of salvation -- and that is Christ's sacrifice.

" in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; " --> NOTE: this is AFTER Christians and Jews who are referred to in earlier chapters, all Christians of various stripes and Jews are much closer to each other than we are to hindus or muslims etc. Among those who are not in the Judeo-Christian tradition, you have Moslems, avowed monotheists. hence by the virtue of them acknowledging a one god, they are closer to Judeo-Christian tradition than polytheists or athiests

"these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, " --> they "profess", that doesn't say anything if they do or don't.

"and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”" --> They adore the one, merciful God, but they are flawed in that their worship is directed to Satan, Allah. They may adore God, but they do not realize they are not worshipping Him.

66 posted on 03/22/2012 10:11:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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