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To: Petrosius; All; Cronos
Surprise, Christian are not Jews. It may by uncomfortable for Jews but Catholic theology holds that the Church is the new Israel and the true heirs to the promises. The old covenants were a foreshadowing and prelude to the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Anyone familiar with Saint Paul would be aware of this.

This is not to say that God has abandoned the Jews but rather that at the time of our Lord there was a split in Judaism; some Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah and some did not. To those Jews who did accept Jesus were joined the Gentiles who together form the Church. The covenant of Moses is no longer operative. This God himself has shown when he allowed the Temple to be destroyed and which has not been rebuilt for 2000 years.

As Saint Paul stated, there is no longer Jew and Greek. The path to salvation for the Jews is the same as that for the Gentiles, through Jesus Christ. To insist that Christians recognize the continuing force of the Old Testament covenants apart from the new universal covenant in Jesus Christ is to insist that they cease being Christian.

A perfect summation of the historical chr*stian attitude, completely unknown to most Americans of all religions.

To insist that Christians recognize the continuing force of the Old Testament covenants apart from the new universal covenant in Jesus Christ is to insist that they cease being Christian.

And yet American Fundamentalist Protestants manage to do so while remaining the "ultimate chr*stians" in the imaginations of most people.

33 posted on 03/21/2012 9:01:20 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
A perfect summation of the historical chr*stian attitude, completely unknown to most Americans of all religions.

Do not let a vocal minority of Fundamentalist Protestants fool you. There are more Christians who hold the historically orthodox view of the relationship between Christians and Jews than you would like.

BTW, showing contempt for Christians by writing it as "chr*stian" is not the way to engender respect for Jews.

35 posted on 03/21/2012 9:27:03 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Petrosius
while remaining the... ultimate.. in the imaginations of most people

errr... no, not in the imaginations of most people across the world. Far, far from it....

37 posted on 03/21/2012 11:21:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Petrosius
Petrosius -- you are wrong to state "the true heirs" -- our theology holds to the existence of two Israels. One—"all who are of Israel"—indicates the ethnic people, not all of whom believe in Jesus. The other Israel, the context reveals, does not include those who have rejected the Messiah. This new Israel, founded by Messiah, exists in spiritual continuity with the Old Testament saints and so counts as a "spiritual Israel." It includes Gentiles who believe in the Messiah and so through baptism are spiritually circumcised (Col. 2:11–12) and are reckoned as spiritual Jews (Rom. 2:26–29).

the Catholic Church holds that Israel is the priestly people of God, "called by the name of the LORD", and "the first to hear the word of God", the people of "elder brethren" in the faith of Abraham. -- namely that Israel includes BOTH the older faith of the Jewish people who do not accept Christ and the new Israel of Christianity.

Replacement philosophy is a non-Catholic point of view -- we are not a replacement rather a continuation.

39 posted on 03/21/2012 11:26:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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