Romney up big in Illinois (PPP- Rom 45 San 30 NEWT 12)

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[VinL]

Mitt Romney is headed for a blowout victory in Illinois on Tuesday. He leads with 45% to 30% for Rick Santorum, 12% for Newt Gingrich, and 10% for Ron Paul.

Romney's particularly strong among voters who live in suburban areas (50-29) and with those who live in urban areas (46-23). But he's even running slightly ahead of Santorum, 38-36, with folks who identify as living in rural parts and that strength with a group of voters he hasn't tended to do that well with is why he's looking at such a lopsided margin of victory.

Romney tends to win moderates in most states and Santorum usually win voters describing themselves as 'very conservative.' The swing group in the Republican electorate is those identifying as just 'somewhat conservative.' Romney is winning those folks by a whooping 60-20 margin in Illinois. Romney's also benefiting from a 52-28 advantage with seniors. We've tended to find Santorum a lot more popular with voters even in states that Romney has won over the last six weeks, but that's not the case in Illinois. Romney's favorability is 57/34, about par for the course of where we've found him this year. Santorum's at only 55/36, much worse numbers than we've seen for him most places in the last couple months, and suggesting that GOP voters are starting to sour on him a little bit.

Santorum's winning the group he tends to do well with- Tea Partiers, Evangelicals, and those describing themselves as 'very conservative.' But he's not winning them by the kinds of wide margins he would need to take an overall victory- he's up only 8 with Tea Party voters and 10 with Evangelicals, groups he needs to win by more like 25 points with to hope to win in a northern state. Santorum can't blame Gingrich for his troubles in Illinois either. If Newt was out Romney would still have an 11 point advantage on Santorum, 45-34.

[jacknhoo]

Thanks a lot, Newt.

[jacknhoo]

That is SUCH a lie.

[Dengar01]

I have yet to see any Romney signs in the suburbs. I know who I'm voting for and it ain't Romney!!! And no one I'm acquainted with is voting for Romney!!!

So Tuesday I get to finally say FUMR!!!

Yes, there are two folks who I would vote for, and only I know who I am voting for. It ain't Romney, or Ron Paul.

I'm voting the most realistic chance of beating Zero. I'm sure Big Sis is targeting my house because I happen to have his yard sign on my lawn.

But either way, I think Romney isn't going to blow out this state. There are several Rat primaries due to redistricting and because conservatives are pissed we are going out to vote.

The person who will win this State tomorrow night better get away from Southern Illinois and host a rally either in the North, West, South Suburbs of Chicago or have it at a high end hotel in Chicago.

I met Zero in 2005 and got his auto and had a 5-10 min chat about random stuff. This guy is a tyrant, in an ideal world I would have Herman Cain.

Because of such heated tensions in the last year only 3 FReepers know who I'm voting for tomorrow. And I ain't voting for Romney or Paul.

[jacknhoo]

Rick Santorum: Fiscal Conservative? YES! As a matter of fact he ranks in the TOP 5 FISCAL CONSERVATIVES, earning a Grade A from the National Taxpayers Union and nver has earned lass than a Grade B... READ MORE: I have heard Sen. Rick Santorum described as a big government conservative. So I decided to take a look at this allegation. Rick Santorum was a senator for the state of Pennsylvania from 1995 to 2006. From 1991 to 1995 he was a congressman. During these 16 years he took many required votes on spending and taxes. In 1991 the GDP of the United States was 5.93 trillion. In 2006 , the last year Rick Santorum was a senator, the GDP grew to 13.91 trillion. The size of the economy more than doubled under his tenure as a senator. In 1991 more than 5,150,000 people were on the federal government payroll. In 2007 the number had decreased by approximately 20% to 4,127,000. In 1991 the federal budget was 1.324 trillion. The budget increased in 2007 to 2.728 trillion. This increase tracks the increase in the GDP of the nation. So how is a senator or congressman rated a being a fiscal conservative? The National Taxpayers Union ( for years) rates members of house and senate and gives them a grade. An “A” equates to a 4.0, a “B” 3.0, a “C” 2.0 etc. In an article on the Weekly Standard by Jeffrey Anderson and Andy Wickersham they write: ..........................​..........................​..........................​..........................​... “ Fifty senators served throughout Santorum’s two terms: 25 Republicans, 24 Democrats, and 1 Republican/Independent. On a 4-point scale (awarding 4 for an A, 3.3 for a B+, 3 for a B, 2.7 for a B-, etc.), those 50 senators’ collective grade point average (GPA) across the 12 years was 1.69 — which amounts to a C-. Meanwhile, Santorum’s GPA was 3.66 — or an A-. Santorum’s GPA placed him in the top 10 percent of senators, as he ranked 5th out of 50. Across the 12 years in question, only 6 of the 50 senators got A’s in more than half the years. Santorum was one of them. He was also one of only 7 senators who never got less than a B. (Jim Talent served only during Santorum’s final four years, but he always got less than a B, earning a B- every year and a GPA of 2.7.) Moreover, while much of the Republican party lost its fiscal footing after George W. Bush took office — although it would be erroneous to say that the Republicans were nearly as profligate as the Democrats — Santorum was the only senator who got A’s in every year of Bush’s first term. None of the other 49 senators could match Santorum’s 4.0 GPA over that span. This much alone would paint an impressive portrait of fiscal conservatism on Santorum’s part. Yet it doesn’t even take into account a crucial point: Santorum was representing Pennsylvania. ..........................​..........................​..........................​..........................​.. Santorum was not representing a red state. Now a person may quibble with a particular vote or a whole range of votes but according to the NTU his grades were exceptional. Now it seems clear that Sen. Santorum is a fisca conservative Source: http://www.redstate.com/​jamesm/2012/03/11/​rick-santorum-fiscal-conser​vative/ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx​xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx​xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Mozilla]

Left wing state folks...how do you think wins in socialist states?

P.S> Nobody wants to cut a deal. Newt should cut a deal now but he won’t.

[Mozilla]

Pray that it is, but it is Illinois.

[Tennessee Nana]

In Tennessee and Mississippi, those negative Romney (and Newt PAC) ads
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Phone calls 3 times a day every day for many days can turn one off...

[Dengar01]

I don't know what state you live in. But Tuesday I finally get my say and it actually matters.

4 years ago I had no choice, all RINOs but Fred Thompson.

I finally get to vote for a real conservative.

I'll just come out and say it for those who have an 8th grade education. There was a man from Illinois who lost the IL US Senate Seat to one Stephen Douglass, everyone (Trump, Fox News, Drudge, Insiders including some here) said that Abe Lincoln would never win the Presidency.

Well he lost the Senate seat and won the Presidency not once, but twice, and became one of the most famous, popular and historic Presidents in World History, not just American History.

If you are a druggie vote for Paul, if you are a country club Republican vote for Mittens, if you are delusional... if you are living in Illinois and want to see Mittens defeated please just remember, Abe Lincoln lost his bid for the Senate and became one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

If you want to be sucked into Global Warming w/ Pelosi, Right Wing Social Engineering, More Wives than a Saudi Prince, than you can vote for Candidate A). If you really want to beat Mitt you vote for Candidate B). If I get thrown off FR for doing so, so be it.

I didn't make my mind up till tonight but, sorry Mr. Speaker, I am supporting the Honorable Senator from Pennsylvania.

I think Mittens took this state for granted and we will give him what he deserves a huge loss! So, yes, I am voting for Rick. I supported Newt but losing in AL, MS and FL proves this guy can't win on home turf.

And hell freezes over before I go with Mittens.

(For retard libs at Google backing this up, my reference to the Santorum haters at Drudge and Fox doesn't mean they were actually around during the elections of 1860 and 1864. It is what you libs call a "METAPHOR"!!! )

Just had to get it out there before the freaks at the Daily Suck sent out their talking points to Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid.

[Dengar01]

"Potemkin Village"!!! Finally some reality!!!

Tuesday, IL FReepers please go out and do the right thing and win this thing for Rick. If Newt wins I'll be very happy but every conservative person I know in this state including the right wing conservative candidate running for US Congress in my newly jerrymandered District is supporting Rick Santorum.

I'm sure, JR and onyx believe I have betrayed them. If so they can nuke this account. But when my future, my future children's futre is on the line I'm not going to just vote protest for Newt so Romney get's coordinated...

I've studied elections, I've taken more Poly Sci courses in college than 95% of folks on this website and can debate every damn election down to the primaries.

If we go to brokered convention Newt loses. His one strength was debates with supportive crowds. He doesn't have that. Yeah, he can out debate Zero, I'm sure all of us could, but guess what the morons watching only care about applause which is forbidden in Presidential Debates.

This has been the worst, ugliest, primary ever. I would imagine 25 - 30 percent of FReepers were zotted. Even those who support everyone here have been less active due to hostility here.

FR is suppose to be a refuge, a safe house from the liberals that surround us everyday. Not a place where we are viciously butchered for supporting Rick Santorum for the sake of being realistic!!! I would bet my house and life savings that Newt will NOT be the nominee. He laid out all the cards in his "Southern Strategy" and he lost. He has won two states; South Carolina and his "former" home state of Georgia.

Sorry, but I have to go with the guy I think that can out due Romney and that is Santorum.

[John D]

That is SUCH a lie.

What is? He voted against Right to Work. A pro big union vote. He voted against cutting and voted for tax payer funded NEA. He voted to give SS benefits to illegals. He wants to use our gas taxes to subsidize Amtrak.
It sure sounds like he is a big spending, union supporting liberal to me. How am I wrong?

[katiedidit1]

Rick Santorum’s nick name in high school was Rooster. He was called that because he got riled up easily. It is fitting today because he is crowing about the wrong issues.

[Dengar01]

Stupid Statement, due to redistricting, Democrats have to vote for their "boss".

Spend 5 seconds googling IL Redistricting and you'll see that the Dems will not cross over for Romney and Independents will have to choose between Santorum or Romney or who they want for Mayor, US Congress, IL Congress, Dog Catcher, Union Thug, ect...

I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong, but I believe tomorrow night Rick will win Illinois.

And I don't care about Puerto Rico, Romney panders to Hispanics, but the Hispanics in IL are going to be voting for their La Raza Rep instead of dabbling in the GOP Primary.

There are MANY DEM RAT races between Hispanics, all about who is best on getting more illegals in, better on granting amnesty, and who supports MS-13, the Kings and other Hispanic Gangs.

If it were a Hispanic Democrat who vowed for the murder of every non Hispanic, 98% of Hispanics would vote for that candidate over a non-Hispanic, even a Cuban of African descent. They are the most racist group of people in the entire world. They make the KKK look like the Mickey Mouse Club.

So Romney can pander all he wants but the La Raza Racists have their own primaries to worry about. It'll be November when MS-13 comes out to coerce people to vote for Obama and anyone who is Hispanic on the ballot.

Ya don't believe me? Take a one way ticket to Chicago, go south on I-55 from the city, exit on California St. go west about 2 miles and see how long you have before a bullet hits your skull!!!

[jacknhoo]

The National Taxpayer’s Union rate Santorum very high:

Senator Rick Santorum

Party: Republican Party

State: Pennsylvania

http://www.ntu.org/on-capitol-hill/ntu-rates-congress/members/senate/rick-santorum.html

More from the NTU Site:

Our Mission

National Taxpayers Union (NTU) is America’s independent, non-partisan advocate for overburdened taxpayers. NTU mobilizes elected officials and the general public on behalf of tax relief and reform, lower and less wasteful spending, individual liberty, and free enterprise. Founded in 1969, we work at all levels for the day when every taxpaying citizen’s right to a limited government is among our nation’s highest democratic principles.

[Guenevere]

Bless you...Thank-you!!!!

[katiedidit1]

IF Mitt Romney had spent as much money on smear attacks against Santorum as he did Newt; Santorum would be polling in single digits.
The GOP E knew that Newt was the real threat. As it stands now...Romney has more delegates than Newt, Santorum and Paul combined.
This has been the election year from hell

[Guenevere]

DengarO1.....You are awesome!

[Guenevere]

Wrong!

It was for ....ready for this?....a cowlick!

[jacknhoo]

The National Taxpayer's Union rate Santorum very high:

Senator Rick Santorum

Party: Republican Party

State: Pennsylvania

http://www.ntu.org/on-capitol-hill/ntu-rates-congress/members/senate/rick-santorum.html

More from the NTU Site:

Our Mission

National Taxpayers Union (NTU) is America's independent, non-partisan advocate for overburdened taxpayers. NTU mobilizes elected officials and the general public on behalf of tax relief and reform, lower and less wasteful spending, individual liberty, and free enterprise. Founded in 1969, we work at all levels for the day when every taxpaying citizen's right to a limited government is among our nation's highest democratic principles.

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As Presidential Contenders Cite Fiscal Ratings from Citizen Groups, National Taxpayers Union Offers Clarification on Its Scorecard Results

For Immediate Release February 23, 2012
http://www.ntu.org/news-and-issues/223as-presidential-contenders.html

[sillsfan]

Illinois is a disaster.

Romney will win in a blowout just like he wins in all counties that won 0bama.

Trust me, I used to live in Illinois and specifically formerly very conservative Kane county. In 2008, 0bama carried Kane County over McLame 55/43.

No conservative has a chance there. And Newt out would not be enough to compensate for RINO Illinois. Illinois hasn’t voted for a conservative in the primaries since Reagan.

[katiedidit1]

LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh you know the visual is too funny:) thanks for the laugh:)