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To: CurlyDave

What evidence is there that Mr. Zimmerman was assaulted? Oh, yes, that’s right - Mr. Zimmerman said so.

It seems there are many excuses being made for this Mr. Zimmerman. He is given the benefit of the doubt, no matter what. Meanwhile, the victim - the one who was killed - is being presumed guilty.

We know from Zimmerman’s own 911 call that he was pursuing Martin because he thought the teen looked suspicious. We know the teen was running away - Zimmerman says so himself to 911. We also know the teen had only candy and iced tea with him. Now the teen is dead, and Zimmerman claims he acted in self-defense. Who’s to say the teen himself wasn’t acting in self-defense?


114 posted on 03/18/2012 7:10:49 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Did you also know the ‘kid with the candy’ was 6’3” tall?

Sure you did.


115 posted on 03/18/2012 7:35:18 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Tired of Taxes
What evidence is there that Mr. Zimmerman was assaulted? Oh, yes, that’s right - Mr. Zimmerman said so.

He also had injuries (bloody nose, scratches & bruises on skin), and damage to his clothes (grass stains, mud) consistent with the story he told.

No matter what you might think, he has a right to get out of his car and speak to the teen. At least that is they way I see it. The relevant Supreme Court decisions are those which allow panhandlers to come up to me on the street and ask for money -- 1st amendment stuff. Do I have the right to beat up a beggar? No, and neither does Martin have the right to start beating up Zimmerman for asking him who he is and what he is doing there.

Who’s to say the teen himself wasn’t acting in self-defense?

Think about the situation a little. Zimmerman has already called the police. He knows they are going to be at the scene in a few minutes. If he was planning to shoot Martin, or even thinking about it, this is just about the most stupid thing he could do -- summon the police to the scene of a murder he is about to commit.

The logical way this went down is that Zimmerman got out of the car and confronted Martin, believing that the police would be there promptly. Essentially he has back-up on the way, and if Martin does have burglary on his mind, he doesn't want Martin to escape into a back yard where he can just disappear from the scene.

Martin doesn't like this, words rare exchanged, and it escalates into a scuffle. Martin is younger and stronger and is soon getting the better of the fight. Zimmerman's shirt comes up and his weapon is exposed. They contend for the weapon and Martin is shot.

We know that Zimmerman has injuries consistent with his story. What we don't know at this point is does Martin have injuries consistent with this story, and is there damage to Martin's clothes consistent with the story?

The police know the answers to these questions, and they are not total dummies. I think if Martin's injuries and clothes were not consistent with Zimmerman's claims he would have been arrested.

It seems there are many excuses being made for this Mr. Zimmerman. He is given the benefit of the doubt, no matter what.

I think the biggest problem you have with this theory is the injuries to Zimmerman and the damage to his clothes, and clearing the logical hurdle of Zimmerman summoning the police, knowing they are arriving soon, and shooting Martin without a strong element of self-defense. Are you seriously proposing the Zimmerman has a death wish?

116 posted on 03/18/2012 7:46:15 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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