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Romney and Santorum would split vote if Gingrich exited race [What if Rick exited and Newt stayed?]
Pocono Record - PA ^ | March 17, 2012

Posted on 03/17/2012 6:47:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney would stand to benefit just as much as Rick Santorum if Newt Gingrich exited the presidential race, according to a new poll released Friday.

The Gallup poll defied conventional wisdom by suggesting Romney would peel off just as many Gingrich supporters as Santorum would. Forty percent of Gingrich supporters in Gallup's daily tracking poll said Romney was their second choice while 39 percent said they would migrate to Santorum.

"If two candidates for a presidential nomination compete in the same ideological space, it would make sense that if one dropped out that the other would benefit," Gallup's Jeffrey Jones wrote in analysis accompanying the poll. "But that does not appear to be the case for the 2012 Republican nomination."

Jones added that for Santorum to overtake Romney, "it may not be as simple as picking up additional support from Gingrich voters should the former speaker of the House drop out." Rather, "Santorum would also likely need to cut into Romney's current base of support to gain ground on the frontrunner."

Rick Santorum has battled Gingrich through most of the primary cycle as the two contenders have tried to establish themselves as the chief alternative to Romney. However, since winning the South Carolina primary on Jan. 21, Gingrich has won just one other state -- his native Georgia.

Meanwhile, Rick Santorum has shown strength in several southern and midwestern states, having won Iowa, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Colorado, Minnesota, Kansas, North Dakota and the non-binding Missouri primary, putting pressure on Gingrich to pack his bags and allow Santorum to go head-to-head with Romney.

While the former Pennsylvania has not explicitly called on Gingrich to exit the race, he has publicly admitted that he could benefit from his rival's departure.

But after the Mississippi and Alabama primaries, Gingrich argued his continued presence was damaging to Romney, forcing him to engage in a two-front war on the airwaves against his rivals.

Gingrich also dismissed suggestions that by staying in the race he was hurting Santorum, saying the former Pennsylvania senator had essentially gone one-on-one with Romney in Ohio and Michigan and lost.

Santorum and Romney are set to do battle in Illinois Tuesday, the next big contest to vote following the Missouri caucuses and Puerto Rican primary over the weekend.

The latest poll in Illinois by FOX Chicago News showed Romney leading Santorum 37 percent to 31 percent in the state. Gingrich had 14 percent while eight percent supported Texas Rep. Ron Paul.


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To: napscoordinator

Patronizing b-st-rd. Rickie is best suited for Mr. Roger’s replacement, how’z at?


61 posted on 03/17/2012 10:04:52 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I believe you’re right. It’s been noticable that in the heavy liberal bastions, Mitt comes in first and Rick second, with Newt way back with Paul. I contend that the more conservative you lean, the more likely you are to back Newt. If he drops out, I can picture a lot of his backers going to Romney just to ensure Obama is easily elected - better to make it absolutely clear that we need to do something big to take the Nation back and most don’t believe Rick will do the job where it will do the most good - might as well let Mitt fall to Obama and hunker down while the light bulbs turn on.


62 posted on 03/17/2012 10:06:06 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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What other reasons might Newt have for staying in? What emerges from that scenario, other than the obvious keynote slot at the convention?


63 posted on 03/17/2012 10:17:20 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: broken_arrow1
"BS "

Gallup released a poll yesterday that showed a close 50-50 split of Gingrich votes between the other two candidates.

That would put Romney in MAJORITY win in every states from here on out.

64 posted on 03/17/2012 10:34:00 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cripplecreek; lexington minuteman 1775
Thats true in proportional delegate states but in winner take all states it hands the race to Romney and he'll run away with it.

Most of the 8 winner-take-all states are not strictly winner-take-all unless a candidate wins a majority of the vote, and other modifications:


-New York, win the majority or it is proportional:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/NY-R

-Connecticut, same as New York

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/CT-R

-Utah is winner-take-all and you don't need the majority. But Santo can forget this state even without Newt.

-Indiana, "Delegate Selection: Combined Selection [Winner-Take-All Primary for District Delegates with Caucus/Convention]"

-California is winner-take-all by Congressional district.

And

- Wisconsin, Winner-Take-All "by district and statewide"

65 posted on 03/17/2012 10:40:11 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Somehow, I just can’t see willfill little men like Boehner and McC pushing Saint Rick around.


66 posted on 03/17/2012 11:04:31 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens. I'm pretty sure the people will again let us down.)
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To: napscoordinator

He no longer lives in GA, couldn’t meet the residency requirement for governor, and the next race is not until 2014, when he would be, what, 72.


67 posted on 03/17/2012 11:06:06 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens. I'm pretty sure the people will again let us down.)
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To: cripplecreek
Gingrich isn’t even running to win at this point. He’s running to divide

Mewton may have campaign funds that he must spend or lose them. He's up in IL trying to help Romney there too, not that Romney needs too much assistance in that liberal Land of Lincoln.

68 posted on 03/17/2012 11:12:44 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens. I'm pretty sure the people will again let us down.)
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To: Mountain Mary; Cincinatus' Wife

I can WELL understand how people get there.

People start with believing Newt Gingrich is BY FAR the best candidate and potential POTUS.

The alternatives don’t come close to Newt, in their conclusion, after thinking and researching and remembering and reasoning and praying...whatever process they use.

I can certainly understand the conclusion.

They are then asked, if not Newt Gingrich, who would you pick, Romney or Santorum?

You don’t move among them, but I’m here to say the reality is, there are people who have Santorum at the bottom of their list...way at the bottom. And they can tell you WHY.

Apparently they plan to vote and if FORCED, note, IF forced to choose, they think Romney is the least bad between the two.

I think Romney and Santorum are both terrible alternatives to Newt.

I’m not discussing their relative merits if this is only between the two of them. I would have to give Santorum the edge against Romney, but I’m here to say they are both disasters. So I will not discuss that even though I could if I chose to.

I’m staying on point that there are obviously people who think the WORST choice is Santorum, who strongly support Newt.

There are others who think Santorum is less bad than Romney, who strongly support Newt.

There is a SPLIT.

That is the entire point. Whatever you come up with, Mountain Mary, you don’t end up getting around that.

I don’t expect ever to influence you. You are an activist and you will double down and triple down on whomever you back at whatever time you back them.

So I write for those who lurk and read.


69 posted on 03/17/2012 11:15:22 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: georgiagirl_pam
A lot of my very conservative Republican friends would go for Mitt instead of Rick because they think that Mitt stands a better chance of beating Obama.

There, fixed it...

70 posted on 03/17/2012 11:16:24 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Former Democrats have moved into the Republican party and shifted it to the left. These are the so-called “moderate” Republicans, who support Mitt Romney. You should take your (Democrat) party back from the Socialists and nominate Mitt to challenge Obama as a Democrat.


71 posted on 03/17/2012 11:19:05 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Theodore R.
Somehow, I just can’t see willfill little men like Boehner and McC pushing Saint Rick around.

Really? What is this based on? Inquiring minds want to know. :^D

72 posted on 03/17/2012 11:28:58 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Red Steel

There are not just 8 winner-take-all states. The vote-splitting between Rick and Newt wouldn’t be such a big issue if it were that few. 800 out of 1200 remaining delegates roughly come from winner-take-all territory. Please note the first 3, you directly elect the delegates, not the candidate, but the delegates win with a mere plurality so it’s the same as winner-take-all.

Illinois (direct delegate election by district)
Pennsylvania (direct delegate election by district)
West Virginia (direct delegate election by district)
California (WTA by district or a mix?)
New York (WTA by district or a mix?)
Texas (WTA by district or a mix?)
Connecticut (WTA by district or a mix?)
Maryland (WTA by district or a mix?)
Wisconsin (WTA by district or a mix?)
New Jersey (WTA by district or a mix?)
Puerto Rico (pure WTA statewide)
Washington D.C. (pure WTA statewide)
Delaware (pure WTA statewide)
Utah (pure WTA statewide)


73 posted on 03/17/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: broken_arrow1; Mozilla
You are fooling yourself if you believe that all Gingrich supporters are like the ones that you find on FR.
Same for Santorum supporters. As for Mitt.....

Hate to tell you guys this but the views of the Republican electorate are not fully represented by the people that you interact with here on Free Republic. Some of them are pragmatists, not purists.

74 posted on 03/17/2012 12:16:41 PM PDT by georgiagirl_pam (STEP ONE: SECURE YOUR DOOR (gives you time to get your gun!) mysafedoor.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

75 posted on 03/17/2012 12:29:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: dforest
How do Newt folks think Santorum voters will go? What it they went to Mitt?

Well it certainly looks like Newt's votes will go to Mitt.



So you had better pray that Newt Gingrich stays in this race!
76 posted on 03/17/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
More detail from the same poll......(more realistic)
77 posted on 03/17/2012 12:53:50 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
......(more realistic)

How is that more realistic?
78 posted on 03/17/2012 1:12:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Nah, Romney has this in the bag. The only way we could have ever known how accurate this poll is would be if Newt left. And he won’t until Santorum is toast like he is.

The real problem for conservatives this time is that we didn’t field a good candidate that appeals to everyone. Newt isn’t acceptable to one side and Rick isn’t to the other half.

I think that the divide is permanent on both sides. Santorum voters would probably go half to Romney too.

Soooooo, that about tells the tale.

Romney will get this nomination. Brokered convention is a pipe dream.


79 posted on 03/17/2012 1:23:07 PM PDT by dforest
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To: cripplecreek; sodpoodle; caww

Rick Santorum supported a MANDATE on ethanol! Newt only supported exploration..facts just kill vesty supporters


80 posted on 03/17/2012 1:24:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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