Posted on 03/14/2012 6:56:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
They also dont endorse Arlen Spector and Mitt Romney.
I guess that leaves you without a candidate.
Newt needs to get out, Now! This is turning out to be sabotage.
Newt’s voters are not Santorum’s by right.
Sorry, but we are not sabotaging anything.
Who will take the bait?
Will someone...anyone...tell me the value of Newt staying in the contest?
1. He cannot win the nomination
2. A split convention will not give him the nomination
3. He’s a spoiler for the anti-Romney faction
4. He’s handing the nomination to Romney
5. He’s using up valuable resources from working folk who continue to send money to a dying cause and may not have it to give to the general election.
There seems to be no upside to his staying in, and full disclosure I voted for Newt in my primary. Like it was said in the movie Gladiator... “People should know when they are conquered.” Newt is conquered, and he knows it so why continue?
Still...any GOOD arguments for Newt staying in I will gladly entertain.
“Gingrich vows to press on”
For whom?
If Santorum had lost big to newt last night, I’d be pulling off my bumpersticker and throwing in with newt. We need to stop the Rom.
The difference between a palin, a Santorum, etc, and a Gingrich is that the former two etc know that anyone like them, a Gdfearing conservative, is needed in the WH. Newt thinks Newt is needed in the White House. Newt can’t think socially. He’s a bit tone deaf, maybe spectrum-y if you know what I mean. He’s still great to listen to and should be in the admin somewhere.
This is pretty smart on Newt’s part. What he should do is pull out and endorse Santorum at a strategic moment calculated to do the most damage to Romney. Immediately prior to Illinois would be good, but there will be plenty of other opportunities. If he was to pull out now, he’d be old news in a week.
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this is not true. John King last night with his touch screen delegate map very deftly and clearly went through the scenarios. He showed the rest of the states with slightly generous give to Santorum where he has a chance, and romney doing well where he most likely will. He showed the delegate count both with newt still in, and with him stepping out now.
Santorum beats Romney only if newt drops out. If newt stays in, either Romney gets the # or it goes to the convention. Meaning most likely romney gets it. Newt is hurting conservatives by staying in. He still will have power at the convention if he gets out now. Along with "statesmanship" instead of "spoilership."
At this point in time Gingrich staying in the race comes close to sabotage. Polls shows that he splits the Tea-Party and male vote with Santorum. He was a “spoiler” in WA, MI, and OH where Romney won with razon thin margins (just 1% in OH and 3% in MI). Carl Cameron on FoxNews reported on Super Tuesday night that the Romney camp is “happy” that Gingrich continues to stay in the race. And last night, John King of CNN used the electronic CNN Electoral Map to demonstrate a scenario on how if Gingrich were to quit even now, Santorum may be able to catch up Romney on the delgate count.
Gingrich, despite carrying baggage that is enough to bring down a fleet of commercial airlines, given his sky-high unfavorability ratings and unbridgeabl gender gap, especially with working women, is simply un electable and he is in it now for his own ego and in the process is wittingly or unwittingly engaging in conservative sabotage. There is no rational answer to any of the queries raised by AlwaysFrosty.
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Newt in the race keeps Romney from getting to the prize before the convention.
if newt drops out some of his support will go to Romney as well as Santorum
This way it proves 70% want someone MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN Romney
Romney is almost certain NOT TO win before the convention now, because he would have to get wins by close to 50% to sew it up. Which he has never done.
I hope Newt and Rick team up at the convention
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I agree. Even though I continue to back Santorum, I have no qualms with Gingrich remaining in the race. For one thing, I see no polling data showing concrete evidence that Santorum would get all of Gingrich’s votes if Newt were to drop out. As a matter of fact, Rasmussen showed the races in Michigan and Ohio would’ve still been very tight had it been strictly a head-to-head contest between Santorum and Romney.
Santorum and Gingrich are both limited financially, but Newt can help make up the difference with his ability to generate headlines and free media coverage by landing sharp verbal zingers against Romney. There’s no question Gingrich’s primary mission at this point is to do whatever he can to block Romney from getting the nomination and I’m all for it. If Santorum and Gingrich work together, it’ll be extremely difficult for Romney to get to 1,144 delegates even with his giant warchest and solid GOP establishment backing. I would rather have this race go to a brokered convention than have Romney and the GOP establishment succeed in buying and manipulating their way to the nomination.
I saw the john king count with the map twice last night, and it is very telling. Also king is quick and smart, and didn’t sound too biased at the time either. In fact, CNN is far less annoying. They are not all about “how this is great for Romney” which is how fox views every story.
Anyway, if we don’t want romney, we need to urge Gingrich to step aside.
If anyone can find a vid (I tried and failed) of king and his scenarios, it would help those not convinced that newt is hurting our cause. It’s our only chance. Brokered convention will not happen, and with newt in, Romney is very very likely to win.
“In Newt’s interviews last night, I saw hints that he may drop out before the next big winner-take-all primary.”
In your dreams. I didn’t see anything like that.
Sorry, Vigil,
I’m a Newt fan & if he wasn’t in I would seriously consider Paul or Romney before Rick Sanctimonious.
I just wonder if it was the other way around and Santorum won two states would the Newt people be so easy going about this.
21 debates were more than enough. There is another debate next week and hopefully that is it. Newt and Rick just debated a few days ago. Enough is enough.
Gingrich is the wrong candidate on three accounts with the last one being the driver of the other two.
1) Newt’s ideological infidelities and erraticacies on public positions have repeatedly taken a number of liberal turns: Global Warming, Individual Healthcare Mandate, Soft Policy on Illegal Immigration are some of the best and clearest examples of such. Some have said that these positions were forgivable as just political posturing. However Newt has never renounced his support for any of these hardcore liberal issues. Further, the very spectacles that he has been involved with on them have been high profile and damaging to the Conservative movements efforts to stop/block them in policy and public opinion as well as damaging to the Republican Party.
2) Newt’s personal infidelities and erraticacies, though easily forgiven in light of his renewed/reinvented commitment to God. (I say reinvented because I don’t doubt his original or current redeemed status with Christ. He was just showing why we all need Christ so bad. I am worse than he was.) Nonetheless, they drive away a significant portion of voters who will not return and vote for him ever. These voters are not going to be swayed by either reason or passion in defense of Newt or against Obama. Their numbers are large enough to turn this election and down ballot races over to Obama and the Democrats. Thus, he is not only unelectable he is damaging to efforts to take the Senate and possibly to keeping the House.
3) Newt’s ego which has caused and/or contributed to the previous two problems. He is convinced that he is always the smartest man in the room. Newt thinks he can manage both enemies and public opinion like some grand puppet master. He is dead wrong. While he has a powerful intellect and a studied mind often our opponents are able to outmaneuver and take advantage of Newt’s overreach. Newt’s overconfidence in his own intellect and personal abilities often turns to arrogance and errors in judgment. This kind of mistake and overreach which Newt has exhibited could have deadly or even globally catastrophic consequences in dealing with foreign affairs. What would been the result of Newt’s “I’m so smart that I’ll surrender that issue to you because I can gain it back later” style as compared to Reagan’s head-on no nonsense, calling evil evil, set the rules and go forward style in dealing with the Russians? Disaster, that’s what.
Thus either Newt has a proclivity to liberal issues or he is cynical to think that he can pretend to be liberal on certain issues because he feels that he can ride a superficial wave of public confusion on the issues. He is permanently wed to bad behavior in the public sentiment in a way that he cannot simply divorce and move on. He is hopelessly and caustically entangled in a host of liberal issues despite his admitted brilliance on other issues. Newt must get out or be completely exposed because he is not going to be the president or the nominee but he is going cause the nomination of Mitt Romney and possibly the reelection of Barak Hussein Obama if he does not get now.
Actually, many states such as both Alabama and Mississippi become winner takes all if a candidate can get above 50%. In your scenario, Santorum would have swept all 47 of Alabama’s delagates and Romney would have been blanked.
Furthermore, in my state of IL, people will vote for Newt if he is in the race. In a poll on Sunday by the Chicago Tribune, Mitt had 35%, Rick had 31% and Newt had 12%. Newt is still attracting votes here, and Newt is coming to Chicago today, so it is not hard to see why.
“Newt should drop out for the sake of conservatism. Conservative Republicans have spoken, and they want Rick.”
I agree.
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