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To: rollo tomasi

Let’s not confuse people, things and ideas. Islam is an idea, the Koran is a thing and Muslims are people. I can accept your belief that Islam is devilish, but not the individual Muslims themselves.

Let me show you how I conclude that. There are about 2 billion Muslims worldwide. Assuming that 1/2 are too young or too old to be violent Jihadis that leaves 1 billion potential violent Muslims.

1% of 1 billion is 10 million jihadis. So 99.5% of all Muslims aren’t massively dangerous or even terrorists. That’s a lot of terrorism and it just isn’t happening at that scale worldwide.

Is Islam dangerous and destructive? I believe it is. As an idea Islam appears incompatible with liberty as understood in the West and particularly American Liberty. That said, moderating Islam is the only wise course to take. You do that by engaging Islamic countries in as free trade as possible and move them out of the middle-ages into the 21st century. Civilization is very civilizing.


144 posted on 03/11/2012 3:19:48 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You can’t moderate Islam. It’s been tried before...and it’s lost every time. That was basically what Bush was attempting to do in Afghanistan, and as long as it was advantageous and safer for Karzai to appear “moderate,” he did so. But that means we have to be there every moment of the day, keeping them “moderate” only because they’re scared of us.

As soon as it became obvious that they had nothing to be scared of, they went right back to their old Islamic ways, and there is absolutely nothing that is going to change that. Islam is vicious and violent at its core, and unless it is completely suppressed, it will burst forth again.

We should never have allowed either Iraq or Afghanistan to enshrine Islam in their constitutions. We blew our chance to make a serious change there (which, again, Muslims will do only when they’re scared of a more powerful force) and to throw away more American lives trying to create “moderate” Islam out of a fanatical, irrational, 7th-century Arab-supremacy cult is shameful.

We should simply have leveled Mecca, destroyed the black rock and set these people free from the Satanic evil that is behind Islam.


147 posted on 03/11/2012 3:42:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: 1010RD

And you think that “free-trade” (really “free” ?)is civilizing ? I suppose you are kidding !
Culture, sciences,philosophy , arts and ...the christian Gospel are civilizing. That means that civilization is a hard and long way needing work !

Don’t fool people and don’t fool yourself . We must wage a cultural “war” otherwise , with you “holly” free-trade you will be owned and used as a tool by islamist activists.

BTW you should learn somethings about the european , christian, so-called middle-age which is not separated from other historical periods( universities, hospitals and cathedrals...does it sound familiar to you ? )


148 posted on 03/11/2012 3:47:25 PM PDT by Ulysse
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