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To: red flanker

Was Heritage Foundation in favor of mandates? I thought they are as conservative as it gets.

I consider myself as fiscal & monetary conservative and I am in favor of mandates because I am sick and tired of having to pay higher healthcare premiums to pay for those who do not bother to buy insurance, yet show up in hospitals after getting into a serious accident or contacting a serious disease or requiring expensive surgery.

Why should I have to support these free loaders? Why must the hospital go through lot of legal expense to try to recover the unpaid bills?


11 posted on 03/02/2012 4:27:08 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

“I consider myself as fiscal & monetary conservative...”

Then you may want to reconsider what you consider yourself.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 4:30:51 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: entropy12

To my post above let me add that I am 100% in favor of PRIVATE insurance only. I am 100% against government run health service of any kind.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 4:31:26 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

You cam consider yourself whatever you like but the fact is you’re not a conservative in any way, shape, or form. The fact is that the Federal government has absolutely no Constitutional authority to force me to purchase anything.

Anyone supporting the “mandate” is an enemy of the Constitution. Period.


20 posted on 03/02/2012 4:34:02 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: entropy12
I consider myself as fiscal & monetary conservative and I am in favor of mandates because ...
... you're a blithering idiot.
23 posted on 03/02/2012 4:36:08 PM PST by Timaeus (Willard Mitt Romney Delenda Est)
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To: entropy12

>> Was Heritage Foundation in favor of mandates?

Yes there ARE. That is why I dropped them from my support list. Not one cent will they get from me.


25 posted on 03/02/2012 4:37:20 PM PST by TrumpisRight (President Palin sounds so good....)
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To: entropy12

One problem is the mandate is only a mandate on some people. Under Obamneycare (either one), those deemed unable to afford the mandate are still given free health care that the rest of us still pay for. And it came out a year or two ago that some of the people that would be eligible for the free care are upper-middle class and could afford it on their own.

If we’re going to mandate that hospitals pay for care of uninsured people without funding it, I agree it’s a problem. I would like to see the solution to that problem addressed rather than just hearing the negatives about what we don’t want to do. My opinion, those people who can’t pay their bills have to “wash the dishes” so to speak, do some kind of community service or fill a government job to make up for it. And if they do have a job, their wages should be garnished.


33 posted on 03/02/2012 4:44:57 PM PST by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: entropy12

“I am in favor of mandates”

You are in the wrong place.


37 posted on 03/02/2012 4:46:28 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: entropy12
I consider myself as fiscal & monetary conservative and I am in favor of mandates

Do you even know what government mandate means? It means that you have no choice but to go against you own conscience and / or will. And that will be for anything if Obamacare stands.
When has any government mandate ever reduced the costs on anything? When has the government ever out performed the free market?

46 posted on 03/02/2012 4:59:40 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: entropy12

Your kidding, right?

Regardless of free loaders, the “cure” of Romneycare/Obamacare is far worse than the supposed disease of freeloading.

And government controlled HC isn’t even about freeloaders or HC. It’s about taking away the people’s rights and freedoms. IF you don’t know that by now, what planet are you from?


55 posted on 03/02/2012 5:23:54 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: entropy12

So you support Romney, do you?


57 posted on 03/02/2012 5:28:10 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: entropy12

Guess what? mandates are going to cost you even more. The worst part is those freeloaders will still pay nothing, but you will pay more.

Hell of a deal, ain’t it?


63 posted on 03/02/2012 5:44:01 PM PST by dforest
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To: entropy12

“I am in favor of mandates because I am sick and tired of having to pay higher healthcare premiums to pay for those who do not bother to buy insurance”

This is the same lie Romney uses.

After he created mandates in Mass. the cost of healthcare increased.

Also, insurance premiums don’t increase because of the uninsured. That is a complete lie. The hospitals and states foot the bill, not the insurance companies.

Why are you parroting Mittens and Obamas lies?


65 posted on 03/02/2012 6:08:39 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: entropy12

Why should I have to support these free loaders?

With or without ObamaCare we’ll still be supporting these free loaders. They’re not going to disappear and it’s likely that with this economy we’ll see many more of them. We’re about to experience a disaster in America’s healthcare system. Government can mandate us to death but it won’t change a thing, won’t lower prices, won’t insure everyone and there will be more cheats, more corruption, more fraud and higher healthcare use than before this outrage was passed without being read by any of our leaders.


73 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:15 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: entropy12
You're not paying healthcare premiums. You're paying insurance premiums. That is your choice to make. Why should I have to support these free loaders? Why must the hospital go through lot of legal expense to try to recover the unpaid bills? I'm self-employed. I have limited insurance options. My eyecare and dental is not covered by my insurance. Not everyone who doesn't have insurance is a freeloader. I pay my bills. As for legal expenses, that's called standard collections procedure the same as credit cards or other debt.

The system isn't perfect and I'd love to see insurance go away forever. However having big government, especially the feds, come in and have me pay an 8% fine or debtors PRISON for five years for not paying it, is beyond unconscionable. There is nothing in favor of mandates. I don't give a damn what the heritage foundation or anything else says. It's big government.

75 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:37 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: entropy12

The Heritage scholars later backed away from mandates. It was a burst of idiocy they now regret. Mandates inevitably bankrupt insurance companies because greedy government forces the insurance companies to cover EVERYTHING. Free health insurance for all!!

The mandates can’t keep up. A huge shortfall in revenue results. So government has to step in to pick up the pieces. As government always does.


78 posted on 03/02/2012 7:24:06 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: entropy12
Your health care insurance premiums are not increasing due to any "freeloaders", they are increasing because of government mandated "free" coverage - like contraceptive services. I am a 55 year old male, why can't I purchase a health insurance policy that only covers my needs. Why should I be required to pay for women's health services? Why can't I simply purchase a policy that covers me for major accidents and illnesses? You can get "minimum coverage" for auto insurance, why not health insurance? I can negotiate "cash" rates with my doctor, I don't need an HMO or "preventative services". Why does the government mandate that I have to have them in my policy? Get the government out of health care and allow the market to naturally compete, and the costs will plumment.
81 posted on 03/02/2012 7:44:37 PM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: entropy12

Why should I have to support these free loaders?

Why should healthy people pay for sick old people? Maybe the government should get out of medicine all together.


99 posted on 03/03/2012 5:31:56 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: entropy12

Your post is hilarious! You think the mandate is going to lower the cost of health insurance? 30 million people will be forced to buy health insurance. Many of which are too poor and will be able to get their health insurance policy for free under ObamaCare. Me and you will pick up the cost via higher premiums. Nothing changes. We’re still paying for the bums.


108 posted on 03/03/2012 9:11:44 AM PST by avacado
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To: entropy12
Why must the hospital go through lot of legal expense to try to recover the unpaid bills?

For the same reason Mastercard has to go through lots of legal expenses to recover unpaid bills.

109 posted on 03/03/2012 9:48:03 AM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: entropy12

I will let you tell me how to handle my health care, if you let me tell you what to eat and drive.


138 posted on 03/05/2012 7:02:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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