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Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 29 Feb 2012 | Stephen Adams

Posted on 02/29/2012 12:04:23 PM PST by Mount Athos

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

The article, entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?”, was written by two of Prof Savulescu’s former associates, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva.

They argued: “The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.”

Rather than being “actual persons”, newborns were “potential persons”. [...]

The authors therefore concluded that “what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled”.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykillers; babykilling; chooselife; creepy; evil; infanticide; murder; obama; sanger; sick
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1 posted on 02/29/2012 12:04:32 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Obama and Sebelious probably agree. Sickos.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 12:07:19 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Mount Athos
"Killing babies no different from abortion"

Who honestly didn't know that?

3 posted on 02/29/2012 12:07:50 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Mount Athos

What separates a baby from a fetus? Exposure to air. Otherwise they’re the same thing: a developing human.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 12:08:45 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Mount Athos
Killing babies no different from letting non-producers die - I say.

So let's drop all entitlement programs now and let ole' Darwin rule the world!

5 posted on 02/29/2012 12:10:25 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Mount Athos
Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

This is at least an intellectually honest position.

ML/NJ

6 posted on 02/29/2012 12:12:14 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Mount Athos

The sun is hot. Water is wet.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 12:12:51 PM PST by petercooper (The one difference between Obama & Romney: Obama is only half white.)
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To: Mount Athos

These “unethicists” should be extra-late-term aborted themselves due to their moral-irrelevance.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 12:12:59 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Mount Athos

I guess it was only a matter of time before some soulless puke jumped to this conclusion.

This proves that there are some really sick people out there.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 12:14:15 PM PST by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Killing babies no different from abortion”
Who honestly didn’t know that?

So by applying actual logic to their statement then they are saying that “Abortion is no different than killing babies”.

This insane rambling by mentally disturbed “high academics” is actually a gift from god because it betrays how they really think and feel about the issue.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 12:14:23 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Mount Athos
From the article:

They also argued that parents should be able to have the baby killed if it turned out to be disabled without their knowing before birth, for example citing that “only the 64 per cent of Down’s syndrome cases” in Europe are diagnosed by prenatal testing.

Once such children were born there was “no choice for the parents but to keep the child”, they wrote.

“To bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.”

11 posted on 02/29/2012 12:14:54 PM PST by KansasGirl
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Maybe, this is some sick, twisted attempt by the left and their media propagandist to cover for Obama’s promotion of infanticide?


12 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:19 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Mount Athos
article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

If you can kill a baby because you find it objectionable for some reason (due to deformities, red hair, whatever), whats the difference between that and killing a scientist who you find objectionable?
13 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:46 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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“Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say”

That is true. Killing babies includes abortion.

The real issue is the moral stance you take on what is a single issue. Increasingly, the detachment of Western Civilization from Christianity reveals the depravity at the heart of all men. “Experts” no longer have to pretend they share a common set of values with Christians.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 12:17:58 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.... and must be ALTA (adult late term aborted) immediately!
15 posted on 02/29/2012 12:20:00 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta

My thought too. They are right, one is no different from the other.

The right answer is to save life.

This could backfire on them.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 12:20:16 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Mount Athos
OK, so how old does the "baby" need to be before killing it is no longer considered a crime in Britain???

I do know some "babies" that I'd have liked to "eliminate" but thought they might be a bit over the age limit for a non-crime, so left the situation alone - they are still babies, by the way.

17 posted on 02/29/2012 12:24:35 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: KansasGirl

“To bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.”

18 posted on 02/29/2012 12:25:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mount Athos
Photobucket The Obamanation.
19 posted on 02/29/2012 12:26:36 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Killing babies no different from abortion”

I have to agree with that. The instant that the egg and sperm unite it becomes a baby. And murdering a baby is the most horrid of crimes. Now that they admit that it’s a baby in that womb they must come to an understanding of what murder is.


20 posted on 02/29/2012 12:27:05 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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