[aruanan]

The devil can bring grievous natural circumstances, but can’t “make” anybody sin without that person’s permission.

A. I wasn't talking about making people sin.
B. The devil is not a necessary factor in anyone's sin anyway. People can do it all on their own according to James (unless, of course, like Calvin and Zwingli, you believe that God is the one who necessitates sin and evil).

[HiTech RedNeck]

(1) Many of the griefs we see (robberies, murders etc.) ARE a result of other humans’ sin.

(2) I’m not saying that Satan-less human sin isn’t theoretically possible, only that it’s apparently how God arranged things with respect to our local fallen creation. Adam and Eve had nothing to be ashamed of until taking what (uh huh) the serpent offered. Why this and not some lone human disobedience to God was the prototype of all sin, I think there has to be a reason.

[HiTech RedNeck]

how God arranged => not how God arranged