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To: SkyDancer
Bush mentioned cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech

To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

21 posted on 02/23/2012 12:50:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
Actually it was switch grass, not saw grass, so technically you are right, although your pointless rant makes no sense. I clearly recall hearing GWBush yammering about it as an alternative energy fuel. I don't know if it was in a SOTU message, or some other speech, but yes, he said it. You can take it to the bank.
33 posted on 02/23/2012 1:01:00 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MNJohnnie; SkyDancer
Where did you get the notion that SkyDancer is a Leftist troll? Her history of posts on this forum says otherwise.

Also, Bush did indeed speak of cellulosic bio-fuels (which would include sawgrass).

You owe SkyDancer an apology.

36 posted on 02/23/2012 1:02:41 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: MNJohnnie; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Excuse me but:

"During his trip, Bush is also focusing on a proposal to increase investment in development of clean electric power sources, and proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as "cellulosic" ethanol made from wood chips or sawgrass

For your edification you might want to continue to read an FR article:

Bush: Nation is on Verge of Energy Technology Breakthroughs (Prez in Wisconsin, Monday) JSOnline via AP ^ | Fenruary 21, 2006 | AP Staff Writer Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:26:06 AM by Diana in Wisconsin.

Thanks for the backup USFRIENDINVICTORIA

49 posted on 02/23/2012 1:21:47 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: MNJohnnie
To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

LOL! What a farce!

The exact quote was:

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. And here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world. The best way to break this addiction is through technology. Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper, and more reliable alternative energy sources. And we are on the threshold of incredible advances.

So tonight I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative—a 22-percent increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy—to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas. To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants, revolutionary solar and wind technologies, and clean, safe nuclear energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen. We'll also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips and stalks or switchgrass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within 6 years.

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025. By applying the talent and technology of America, this country can dramatically improve our environment, move beyond a petroleum-based economy, and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past.
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That was 2006. It's now 2012. So, ethanol should just about be competitive, right?

Truth is, that was just big-government posturing. Everyone knows corn ethanol is stinking political scam. And cellulosic ethanol is still largely a VC pipe dream. That's where it should stay — with the VCs. Republican or Democrat, the government should stay the hell out!

Let the VCs invest. And let the oil companies drill, drill drill!

50 posted on 02/23/2012 1:22:20 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: MNJohnnie
Since you're such an accomplished researcher you may have missed the following Bush quotes:

President George W. Bush quotes compiled by Est ... there are some rough spots, and I'm going to mention ... which we're close to getting to, that we can use sawgrass ...

http://estnyboer.com/bush/term2-2006.htm

Or:

What ever happened to Dubya's sawgrass as an alternative fuels?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070715072221AAtR4EA

But I digress.

55 posted on 02/23/2012 1:37:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: MNJohnnie
SkyDancer: Bush mentioned cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech

MNJohnie: To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

Oh, how easy it is to engage in name calling and accusations motivated by lack of information or intellectual dishonesty.

President Bush in his 2007 SOU, as reported by The New York Times HERE said the following " We must continue investing in new methods of producing ethanol, using everything from wood chips, to grasses, to agricultural wastes."

In addition, in 2006 The Tuscaloosa News reports HERE"On Tuesday, with a stop at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., the president highlights his proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as "cellulosic" ethanol made from woodchips or saw-grass."

I have a feeling that the truth will wipe the smugness off your face and make you think twice or do some background before publicly attacking someone's integrity

62 posted on 02/23/2012 2:06:01 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: MNJohnnie; SkyDancer
Bush mentioned cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech

To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. ...

Well, you're both wrong. Bush did not mention cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech, but that assertion is not complete BS.

In his 2006 SOTU, Bush said, "We'll also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but from wood chips and stalks or switch grass."

In his 2007 SOTU, Bush said that he wanted to quintuple the use of ethanol and other alternative fuels by 2017. That same year he signed legislation that mandated that "the U.S. must use 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels per year by 2022, including 16 billion gallons of cellulosic biofuel."

Here's an interesting article on the topic. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17398968/ns/us_news-environment/t/huge-federal-grants-cellulosic-ethanol/#.T0a4dnnvO8A It reports that the Bush Administration planned to spend $385 million on cellulosic ethanol. You can look up the 2006 and 2007 ethanol references in the SOTU yourself. Recent articles in the WSJ suggest that Bush's results from cellulosic alcohol spending was comparable to Obama's Solyndra performance.

Bush was a proponent of ethanol fuels, especially cellulosic ethanol. That assessment is neither conservative nor liberal. It's a simple fact.

64 posted on 02/23/2012 2:23:30 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: MNJohnnie
To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

Geez, some Freepers can't remember how weak Bush was on many domestic issues. He often pandered to the idiot Greens. Remember, the great Rove was a big influence.

Below is a 2006 Free Republic posting

Post 17: Bush speaks of sawgrass

65 posted on 02/23/2012 2:31:44 PM PST by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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