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To: cerberus
"...but if he continues down this path he is toast in the general election.........no doubt about it!!"

If that is true, then what are we all fighting to save? What's the point? If the only way to get elected any more is to pander to the basest instincts of the morally degenerate and historically ignorant, then aren't we merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

The vector for those types of people is relentlessly downward. If pandering to them were to work it would simply mean further decay as a nation. But it won't work because they will never accept ANYONE from the Right. Do I really need to remind you about how that McCain candidacy turned out? Do you honestly think "Mr. Electability", Mitt Romney, will fare any better? The so-called "electable" (i.e. liberal) Republican candidates always fail because liberal voters would prefer real leftism (ala Obama) to an imitation from the Right, and conservative voters lose enthusiasm as they are presented with yet another "least bad option."

The founders of this once-great nation knew something that we today seem to have forgotten. While they had built a system of self-government that was without precedent, they realized that unless the nation were populated by a "moral and religious people", to quote John Adams, it would fail. Now, we "enlightened" people of the 21st Century can pretend all we want that faith in God has no place in a Presidential campaign, or at best should be mentioned sparingly and very non-specifically, but we would be fools to think so.

Rick Santorum is right on target. I think he may be the only candidate that truly understands what lies at the core of our troubles. Debt? Massive spending? Incipient socialism? Those are merely symptoms. The disease we suffer from is our lack of focus on and dependence on God. Until and unless the people return to reliance on God, this nation will not recover.

If we instead take the pragmatic path of appealing to the degenerate among us, we will only accelerate and cement our demise.

82 posted on 02/21/2012 10:29:24 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman

Amen


83 posted on 02/21/2012 10:36:04 AM PST by 444Flyer (Leaning on the everlasting arms)
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To: noiseman

Psalm 81:8-16
:)


84 posted on 02/21/2012 10:37:37 AM PST by 444Flyer (Leaning on the everlasting arms)
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To: noiseman
Now, we "enlightened" people of the 21st Century can pretend all we want that faith in God has no place in a Presidential campaign, or at best should be mentioned sparingly and very non-specifically, but we would be fools to think so.

Collectively, the founding fathers religious views were defined very broadly. Some were, in fact, deists or even atheists and many were more conventional believers as well but they were able to come together to lay out the plan for this great country.

Now we have so-called conservatives hearkening back to the founding fathers and quibbling about religious trivia. The founding fathers, I believe, would be laughing in your faces.

Where in the founding documents and discourse do we find this sort of useless banter? Perhaps it exists, but it appears to me that these wise men knew that they had bigger fish to fry.

87 posted on 02/21/2012 10:42:01 AM PST by cerberus
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To: noiseman
If we instead take the pragmatic path of appealing to the degenerate among us, we will only accelerate and cement our demise.

This statement typifies the problem that we are facing. The narrowness of your view defines the majority of the public as "godless degenerates" and yet you can't win an election without them. I personally don't define everyone who is not a white fundamentalist Christian as lost and degenerate and I would want them and expect them to vote for a cause that supports life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness rather than insulting them with irrelevant narrow sectarian quibbling.

94 posted on 02/21/2012 10:58:00 AM PST by cerberus
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To: noiseman
Rick Santorum is right on target. I think he may be the only candidate that truly understands what lies at the core of our troubles. Debt? Massive spending? Incipient socialism? Those are merely symptoms. The disease we suffer from is our lack of focus on and dependence on God.

WRONG. The moral decay is the symptom -- caused by Government taking over morality, in everything from charity via welfare, food stamps, etc., to PUNISHING Americans for wanting to peacefully reject open homosexuality in their schools, their workplaces, their military, their civic organizations, etc.

Santorum is a guy who HAS SUPPORTED things like food stamps, going so far as to fight to keep Congress from cutting the program. Sorry, but when Government takes over that kind of charity, it creates a slothful people. I hate abortion and I hate the gay agenda, but I HATE JUST AS MUCH the big government that has empowered both.

Government is punitive and oppressive and it has NOURISHED immorality in our America, because it has restricted the freedom of Americans to live morally -- instead it FORCES Americans to do immoral things, like subsidize on-demand abortion. It FORCES Americans to roll over to openly homosexual influences in their schools, workplaces, military, community, etc. It FORCES Americans to provide "charity" in the form of welfare and social programs.

The best way to return morality to the U.S. is to allow Americans to live morally, and the ONLY way to do that is to CUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and to work to unseat activist liberal judges. Newt Gingrich has a detailed plan to do just that! READ his proposals, for crying out loud! I've read both Santorum's and Gingrich's campaign websites, and only one of the two has a real, focused vision for HOW to restore American greatness.

Godspeed Newt Gingrich.

117 posted on 02/21/2012 1:02:32 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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