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To: Sallyven
From Harry Reid's 1993 bill:

"TITLE X—CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth." And here is demonstrated the stunning hipocrisy and irony: Reid's bill would deny birthright citizenship to certain classes of people, and yet he (Reid) considers "Obama" a Natural Born Citizen for having (though this is unproved as of today) been born on US soil, even though BHO Sr. was never even a resident alien, let alone a US citizen.

Reid's bill would never have any effect on a true Natural Born Citizen because such a one's citizenship status is not in any way dependent upon any legal contrivance of man. A citizen born on US soil and having two citizen parents naturally follows the citizenship of those parents. They just are.

25 posted on 02/20/2012 7:44:41 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
"Reid's bill would never have any effect on a true Natural Born Citizen because such a one's citizenship status is not in any way dependent upon any legal contrivance of man."

Come on. The very notion of "citizen" is a contrivance of man. It's an artifiact of certain kinds of political organization. Who is and is not a citizen is completely determined by contrivances of man.

"A citizen born on US soil and having two citizen parents naturally follows the citizenship of those parents. They just are."

The traditional practice going back centuries, even prior to the founding the US, is that being born in the country makes you a citizen. Your parents do not matter. That was the understanding in 1789, and it is now explicitly coded into the 14th Ammendment. Being a "natural born citizen" simply means having been a citizen by birth, as opposed to be naturalized at some point later in life. All these birther distortions about history and the law are downright ridiculous.

26 posted on 02/23/2012 8:54:38 AM PST by mlo
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