Posted on 02/18/2012 4:23:55 PM PST by Mariner
(Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum challenged President Barack Obama's Christian beliefs on Saturday, saying White House policies were motivated by a "different theology."
A devout Roman Catholic who has risen to the top of Republican polls in recent days, Santorum said the Obama administration had failed to prevent gas prices rising and was using "political science" in the debate about climate change.
Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology," Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement at a Columbus hotel.
When asked about the statement at a news conference later, Santorum said, "If the president says he's a Christian, he's a Christian."
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Yep, according to you I suspect that's true.
Now go out and win a majority.
Do you suppose those are illegal immigrants he is referring to? I do not. Everyone knows he is referring to educated legal immigrants that have something to build the nation and help make it stronger. Any economist would agree.
This Election Troll has been activated and been trashing Rick non stop about his religious belief and blunt talked .
They are all personal attacks and mean spirited cheap shots .
The fiscal mess we are in calls for a revolutionary, not a cookie cutter, status quo business guy. Do you think Romney can turn the monstrous federal government around with the same-old tinkering for which the GOP establishment is famous? That's why we have this mess. Obama isn't the reason we are sinking. We need radical change in the way our federal government operates. Palin would be the best, Gingrich is next best. Ron Paul would be better than either Santorum or Romney, fiscally.
Hasn't this guy been counseled already today about personal attacks on other Freepers...not characterizations, but lies?
Since when is the Marxist articulate ?
He reads off a TelePrompter and is a disaster without it !
He has no debate skills!
What bs have you swallowed from the Ovana media !
I take it, then, you were for Donald Trump last year? He called a spade a spade, too. Yet, despite that, he's still someone I didn't want to see as President.
For a candidate needs more to them than just the simple power of observation.
You know, I’ve never actually heard Ron Paul’s tax plan. He said something about 0 percent, but I have no idea what he’s even talking about. I’ve never heard any of his views in any of the debates, other than that he thinks everybody is a liberal and that Iran is justified in supporting terrorism against the United States.
That is a good summation except: Palin is not running, Gingrich has lost steam, and Paul will not win the nomination. Of the two left, Santorum is better than Romney.
You are astroturfing here and peddling Rick S AstroTurf non stop !
You want to
shut me up do you can continue your astroturfing here without being challenged .
You hate Rick S and it down right strange
I can have a right to my opinion of your activities ?
How many Anti Rick posts have you Made today alone ?
Five or Six or seven ????.
Good.
Now do you also understand my point that even those who want to segregate the moral/theological from the political likewise are expressing a religious/moral/theological vantage point? That was one of my points in post #36...so don't remove the context of my reference to seeming hypocrisy...see below for more on that.
(By example: Many atheists often focus just as much on God & theology as a lot of theists do!)
Thank you for your fair and reasoned critique, which this time was without name calling.
OK, you've twice now referenced an objection to my mention of hypocrisy in post #36. What does that double-standard link to in post #36? I said there -- in agreeing with GulfBreeze:
Mariner doesn't want religion to be a point of conflict in November; apparently he doesn't mind if he joins in re: making it a point of conflict in February!
It came across to ME -- as apparently it likewise came across to GulfBreeze -- that you don't mind making this an issue of "conflict" now within the GOP...you only minded this being some potential issue in November.
That came across to both of us as a sort of a double-standard. Do you see my point?
This, coupled with what I mentioned above, seemed double-standard on two fronts: For example, those who object to God being mentioned in a campus graduation speech often wind up focusing on God as much as that speaker does! Likewise, those who focus on politicians mentioning theology wind up discussing theology more (on FREEPER threads, for example) than the phrase or graph mentioned by Santorum...a comment that was probably over in minutes!
It's so ironic that the "let's-keep-religion-out-of-politics" crowd wind up feasting on the religious expressions of others, thereby setting up a sense of "entitlement" that it's "A-OK" for some to focus on morality/theology but not others?
Yep.
The same crap was pulled on Perry vis a vis immigration... and it worked.
(Electoral vote-wise, or majority of voters? 'Cause if you're referencing the latter, tell us...how many POTUS candidates have won 50% or more majority vote in the 20th & 21st centuries anyway?)
So, if you meant "majority" of voters...even the "winners" these election days haven't been shooting for that...but go right on ahead...raise the bar higher than what it actually is...goes hand-in-hand with strawman-producing tendencies.
Your entire argument is flawed to begin with.
We are conservatives on this forum. The vast majority of us are pretty comfortable with Christianity and having it out there in politics.
The issue is when Christianity, or in this case, Catholicism, is applauded as the major reason why you should be President, instead of an idea about the actual system of government.
You guys are trying to act as if Santorum doesn’t campaign on religious and social issues.
He does.
Feelings, family, little kids, patriotism, all these things score high on what Santorum talks about.
Actual platform, not so much. He doesn’t even discuss the platform of his opponents, except when he feels like distorting their record or using some minor disagreement (like the moon colony thing) to insult someone of being crass or irresponsible or something or other. Meanwhile, he really isn’t comparing his tax plan or his social security plan or very much at all policy wise with his opponents. All he tells us is that he is the “true conservative” with “no baggage” who loves his kids and so he should be President.
Sorry, doesn’t fly. And that is the problem here. It has nothing to do with being atheists, or being immoral, or not liking Catholics, or whatever.
That's only 1/2 right. Let me clarify.
I absolutely contend that now is the time to raise the issues about how a potential candidate will be characterized. From Romney's magic underwear, to Paul's appeasement to Newt's Moon Colony.
And whether I object or not to such issues being used in November is irrelevant. They will be used.
It's arguable that every candidate we now have running is unelectable in the General. I'm not prepared to make that argument just yet.
You want to focus on this instead of tackling our record debt, our crippled economy, and the removal of the rule of law in our government?
That means you don't see anything wrong with those (well, to you) non-problems.
That's the BIG FREAKIN' DEAL! Our house is burning down with us in it... yet you and Santorum want to polish the silverware!
I'd advise you to take your own advice!.
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Hope that makes you feel better.
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