"Do not forget our goal, Ron.
The GOP must be destroyed. "
obama is the kettle calling romney black. Obama have flip flopped and lied on more issues than romney
Romney is anti-conservative, anti-Republican, even anti-American, or at least in the way and for the reasons that we like America.
Romney has an internal agenda that has been shaped by his family's anti-American Mormon history, and by his own Mormonism as a leader in the religion. None of us know why he wants to be president, I think we all know that the Senate race and the governor term were merely to be a step to the Presidency, a perfunctory step to his destiny, and we don't see any connection between him, and any destiny for America that could depend on him, at least that we want to know about.
Some of that unease that America feels with Mitt, is a sense that something is going on in there that isn't good for us, something which we would not like, there is a faint, almost imperceptible sense of a darkness in Mitt Romney, a cold, total, absolute focus on his own internal purpose, which is unknowable to us and is separate from ours and our nations.
Well, our guys (Republicans) always seem to be in a self destruct mode.
If I still lived in the new USSA, I am not sure if I could take it.
McCain destroyed the Republican Party.
Just like Obama cannot run on his record.
If the other threads I’ve read today are any indication of what the GOP-e strategy is, then the party will indeed be destroyed...by their own hand but not in the way they think.
I’ve never felt more strongly about a third party if this mess cannot be cleaned out.
His undiluted obsession for the office of president is becoming pathological.
His self glorifying statements on his history are so repetitive and well known we can all mouth his words along with him when he speaks.
There is a palatable panic in his attacks against anyone who threatens his goal he’s now realizing he is out of ammunition and ,out of desperation, he throws his empty gun at his opponent.
It is time to acknowledge that there is only one political Party, with two categories of elected officials: The Power-hungry and the Comatose.
The Democrats want to control the lives of all citizens and the Republicans are too impotent to stop them.
There are a few exceptions - but when they stand up to the status quo - their GOP colleagues and the MSM tear them down.
We have only one problem solver running for POTUS - Newt!
Romney is status quo and Santorum does not have the necessary qualifications for a course correction. Santorum wants to beat us over the head with social mores. Moral people don’t need it and an immoral society doesn’t care.
"Do not forget our goal, Ron.
The GOP must be destroyed. "
It’s hard to keep a running tally of all the people who are trying to “destroy the republican Party”.
If the lying, backstabbing Bishop of Kobol is on the
GOP ballot, we will not vote for ANYONE in the GOP.
PERIOD.
The GOP is finished for even considering the
saboteur Bishop, since it shows it is truly
the STUPID PARTY.
Romney’s key strength???? Petulance
Always felt the guys was way too slimmy and an all for me type......The remarks in michigan about “I like trees and I like cars” made me want to puke.......
This guy has to go.
RINOs and the GOP establishment demand that we hold our noses and vote for any candidate with an R behind their name. However, they are the least willing to vote for a GOP candidate they don’t like.
The party base, and the party itself are in jeopardy because of this man.
He can't win running on his record, so he goes on negative rampages against anyone who challenges him in the polls. We got a push poll call late yesterday from his PAC. Man it was ugly (this time about Santorum).
He’s just trying to finish what the Bushes started.
Just the other day I was telling someone for mittens to be elected in a liberal state like MA, he has to be very liberal with his policies.
unquestioning obedience to a cult but no one sees a problem
rev wright was a sign but no one saw a problem
except crazy people
romney asked permission from his prophet before running for office
oval office with an open line to shadow govt in utah
thats crazy too
Re: Blood Atonement
Excerpt from “The Story of the Mormons” by William Alexander Linn
Early Intimations concerning it ~ Jedediah M. Grant’s Explanation of Human Sacrifices ~ Brigham Young’s Definition of “Laying Judgment to the Line” ~ Two of the Sacrifices described ~ “The Affair at San Pete”
As early as 1853 intimations of the doctrine that an offending member might be put out of the way were given from the Tabernacle pulpit. Orson Hyde, on April 9 of that year, spoke, in the form of a parable, of the fate of a wolf that a shepherd discovered in his flock of sheep, saying that, if let alone, he would go off and tell the other wolves, and they would come in; “whereas, if the first should meet with his just deserts, he could not go back and tell the rest of his hungry tribe to come and feast themselves on the flock. If you say the priesthood, or authorities of the church here, are the shepherd, and the church is the flock, you can make your own application of this figure.”
In September, 1856, there was a notable service in the bowery in Salt Lake City at which several addresses were made. Heber C. Kimball urged repentance, and told the people that Brigham Young’s word was “the word of God to this people.” Then Jedediah M. Grant first gave open utterance to a doctrine that has given the Saints, in late years, much trouble to explain, and the carrying out of which in Brigham Young’s days has required many a Mormon denial. This is, what has been called in Utah the doctrine of “blood atonement,” and what in reality was the doctrine of human sacrifice.
Grant declared that some persons who had received the priesthood committed adultery and other abominations, “get drunk, and wallow in the mire and filth.” “I say,” he continued, “there are men and women that I would advise to go to the President immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend to their case; and then let a place be selected, and let that committee shed their blood. We have those amongst us that are full of all manner of abominations; those who need to have their blood shed, for water will not do; their sins are too deep for that.”* He explained that he was only preaching the doctrine of St. Paul, and continued: “I would ask how many covenant breakers there are in this city and in this kingdom. I believe that there are a great many; and if they are covenant breakers, we need a place designated where we can shed their blood.... If any of you ask, Do I mean you, I answer yes. If any woman asks, Do I mean her, I answer yes.... We have been trying long enough with these people, and I go in for letting the sword of the Almighty be unsheathed, not only in word, but in deed.”**
* Elder C. W. Penrose made an explanation of the view taken by the church at that time, in an address in Salt Lake City on October 12, 1884, that was published in a pamphlet entitled “Blood Atonement as taught by Leading Elders.” This was deemed necessary to meet the criticisms of this doctrine. He pleaded misrepresentation of the Saints’ position, and defined it as resting on Christ’s atonement, and on the belief that that atonement would suffice only for those who have fellowship with Him. He quoted St. Paul as authority for the necessity of blood shedding (Hebrews ix. 22), and Matthew xii. 31, 32, and Hebrews x. 26, to show that there are sins, like blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven through the shedding of Christ’s blood. He also quoted 1 John v. 16 as showing that the apostle and Brigham Young were in agreement concerning “sins unto death,” just as Young and the apostle agreed about delivering men unto Satan that their spirits might be saved through the destruction of their flesh (1 Corinthians v. 5). Having justified the teaching to his satisfaction, he proceeded to challenge proof that any one had ever paid the penalty, coupling with this a denial of the existence of Danites.
Elder Hyde, in his “Mormonism,” says (p. 179): “There are several men now living in Utah whose lives are forfeited by Mormon law, but spared for a little time by Mormon policy. They are certain to be killed, and they know it. They are only allowed to live while they add weight and influence to Mormonism, and, although abundant opportunities are given them for escape, they prefer to remain. So strongly are they infatuated with their religion that they think their salvation depends on their continued obedience, and their ‘blood being shed by the servants of God.’ Adultery is punished by death, and it is taught, unless the adulterer’s blood be shed, he can have no remission for this sin. Believing this firmly, there are men who have confessed this crime to Brigham, and asked him to have them killed. Their superstitious fears make life a burden to them, and they would commit suicide were not that also a crime.”
** Journal of Discourses, Vol. IV, pp. 49, 50.
Brigham Young, who followed Grant, said that he would explain how judgment would be “laid to the line.” “There are sins,” he explained, “that men commit, for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world nor in that which is to come; and, if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven for their sins...I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it a strong doctrine; but it is to save them, not to destroy them.”
That these were not the mere expressions of a sudden impulse is shown by the fact that Young expounded this doctrine at even greater length a year later. Explaining what Christ meant by loving our neighbors as ourselves, he said: “Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant.... I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last resurrection there will be) if their lives had been taken, and their blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the devil.”*
* Journal of Discourses, Vol. IV, pp. 219, 220.
Stenhouse relates, as one of the “few notable cases that have properly illustrated the blood atonement doctrine,” that one of the wives of an elder who was sent on a mission broke her marriage vows during his absence. On his return, during the height of the “Reformation,” she was told that “she could not reach the circle of the gods and goddesses unless her blood was shed,” and she consented to accept the punishment. Seating herself, therefore, on her husband’s knee, she gave him a last kiss, and he then drew a knife across her throat. “That kind and loving husband still lives near Salt Lake City (1874), and preaches occasionally with great zeal.”*
* “Rocky Mountain Saints,” p. 470.
John D. Lee, who says that this doctrine was “justified by all the people,” gives full particulars of another instance. Among the Danish converts in Utah was Rosmos Anderson, whose wife had been a widow with a grown daughter. Anderson desired to marry his step-daughter also, and she was quite willing; but a member of the Bishop’s council wanted the girl for his wife, and he was influential enough to prevent Anderson from getting the necessary consent from the head of the church. Knowing the professed horror of the church toward the crime of adultery, Anderson and the young woman, at one of the meetings during the “Reformation,” confessed their guilt of that crime, thinking that in this way they would secure permission to marry. But, while they were admitted to rebaptism on their confession, the coveted permit was not issued and they were notified that to offend would be to incur death. Such a charge was very soon laid against Anderson (not against the girl), and the same council, without hearing him, decided that he must die. Anderson was so firm in the Mormon faith that he made no remonstrance, simply asking half a day for preparation. His wife provided clean clothes for the sacrifice, and his executioners dug his grave. At midnight they called for him, and, taking him to the place, allowed him to kneel by the grave and pray. Then they cut his throat, “and held him so that his blood ran into the grave.” His wife, obeying instructions, announced that he had gone to California.*
* “Mormonism Unveiled,” p. 282.
As an illustration of the opportunity which these times gave a polygamous priesthood to indulge their tastes, may be told the story of “the affair at San Pete.” Bishop Warren Snow of Manti, San Pete County, although the husband of several wives, desired to add to his list a good-looking young woman in that town When he proposed to her, she declined the honor, informing him that she was engaged to a younger man. The Bishop argued with her on the ground of her duty, offering to have her lover sent on a mission, but in vain. When even the girl’s parents failed to gain her consent, Snow directed the local church authorities to command the young man to give her up. Finding him equally obstinate, he was one evening summoned to attend a meeting where only trusted members were present. Suddenly the lights were put out, he was beaten and tied to a bench, and Bishop Snow himself castrated him with a bowie knife. In this condition he was left to crawl to some haystacks, where he lay until discovered “The young man regained his health,” says Lee, “but has been an idiot or quiet lunatic ever since, and is well known by hundreds of Mormons or Gentiles in Utah.”* And the Bishop married the girl. Lee gives Young credit for being very “mad” when he learned of this incident, but the Bishop was not even deposed.**
* Ibid., p. 285.
** Stenhouse quotes the following as showing that the San Pete outrage was scarcely concealed by the Mormon authorities: “I was at a Sunday meeting, in the spring of 1857, in Provo, when the news of the San Pete incident was referred to by the presiding Bishop, Blackburn. Some men in Provo had rebelled against authority in some trivial matter, and Blackburn shouted in his Sunday meeting—a mixed congregation of all ages and both sexes: ‘I want the people of Provo to understand that the boys in Provo can use the knife as well as the boys in San Pete. Boys, get your knives ready.’” “Rocky Mountain Saints,” p. 302.