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Mitt Romney is Attempting to Destroy the Republican Party
Business Insider ^ | February 17, 2012 | JD Rucker

Posted on 02/18/2012 3:00:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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....If Romney can't win, he'll be certain that the person who beat him is so damaged, so beaten up by his negative campaign ads that they will have no chance against Obama. Unfortunately for Republicans, it creates a lose-lose situation.

Mitt Romney cannot defeat Obama. His flipping and flopping is well documented and will be highlighted by the Obama campaign as the signature of one with a lack of character. He is such a poor speaker in interviews that he attempted to appeal to the middle class by trying to bet Rick Perry $10,000 and later saying that, “I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it.”

If something is not a concern, it won't be fixed.

The statement was not intended to downplay the troubles of the unfortunate in America, nor was his bet with Rick Perry an attempt to point out that he has the ability to offer 3-months of an average worker's salary on a whimsical wager. His intended meanings are likely (relatively) pure but his inability to stop putting his foot in his mouth will get him demolished against Obama's buzz machine.

They won't have to destroy Romney. They just have to wait around long enough for him to destroy himself.

Leading up to the next primaries, Romney's team will go on the offensive against Santorum. If Paul or Gingrich make up ground, he will attack them as well. He does not have enough good ideas to lift himself as the rightful Republican candidate, so he's trying to destroy everyone else to make himself the reluctant choice by default.

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To: driftdiver

Huh? Go back to my post #77 and read it over, and then tell me if you’re comfortable with a President believing that sort of crap, ok?


81 posted on 02/18/2012 8:08:35 AM PST by mkjessup (Let's do to Mitt what his Irish Setter did to him while tied to the roof rack of his station wagon!)
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To: driftdiver

Did I miss the White Horse thing? Can’t have a tinfoil black helicopter Mormons gonna make us all wear Magic Underpants thread without the White Horse.


82 posted on 02/18/2012 8:12:38 AM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: magritte

Im sure it will show up sooner or later.


83 posted on 02/18/2012 8:15:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mkjessup

Not worth the time.


84 posted on 02/18/2012 8:17:17 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: hoosiermama

Sorry, no I don’t. I missed Shep’s comments on the atrocity.

As soon as I heard what Josh had done, I felt it was connected to Blood Atonement. (or some whacked out version stemming from his perv father)

I am a member of a online crime board. I mentioned this and got flamed from all but one member who PM’d me. She is an ex-Mormon who came to the same conclusion. We’ve had some quite interesting discussions!


85 posted on 02/18/2012 8:19:27 AM PST by bonfire
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To: driftdiver
Not worth the time

Good decision. When you can't debate the issues or defend your position, slink on out of the thread. It's good that you "know your limitations".

Over and out.
86 posted on 02/18/2012 8:20:49 AM PST by mkjessup (Let's do to Mitt what his Irish Setter did to him while tied to the roof rack of his station wagon!)
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To: mkjessup

Or throw personal attacks. That seems to work too.


87 posted on 02/18/2012 8:26:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: W. W. SMITH

No, Bush was our Lenin.

Obama our Stalin...

...and Romney our possible Khrushchev.


88 posted on 02/18/2012 8:41:44 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: 4rcane

Just a heads up, you forgot the sarcasm tag.


89 posted on 02/18/2012 8:47:28 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: ansel12
We know why he wants to be president: Pretty White Horse Pictures, Images and Photos
90 posted on 02/18/2012 8:50:52 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: magooey
Between Mitt Romney and Obama, who would you prefer?

I'd prefer a barf bag.

91 posted on 02/18/2012 8:54:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: driftdiver; ansel12

Before you give ansel12 a tin foil hat, learn about mormonism and we will have yours waiting or not.


92 posted on 02/18/2012 8:54:44 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: driftdiver; ansel12

Really, drifter you to need to learn about mormonism.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
Until you understand mormonism you will not understand what motivates Romney.


93 posted on 02/18/2012 8:59:49 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: NavyCanDo

Really? Learn about mormonism. Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it. Romney’s soul motivation is mormonism, it is his core.
Unless you understand mormonism you will not understand Romney.


94 posted on 02/18/2012 9:06:20 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

Its at the top of my list.


95 posted on 02/18/2012 9:13:26 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gogogodzilla

Romney is far more dangerous than Khrushchev


96 posted on 02/18/2012 9:16:02 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: mkjessup
Please quit crayfishing and tell us how you really feel! ;)
97 posted on 02/18/2012 9:21:34 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: W. W. SMITH
Romney is far more dangerous than Khrushchev

I dunno. Khrushchev was Stalin's hey-boy that he sent out when it was time to fire a general or field marshal. Nikita's job was to deliver the brand-new Tokarev pistol to the general, lecture him on his duty, and then stick around and make sure he used it on himself.

Whattaguy.

98 posted on 02/18/2012 9:24:53 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Re: Blood Atonement

Excerpt from “The Story of the Mormons” by William Alexander Linn

Early Intimations concerning it ~ Jedediah M. Grant’s Explanation of Human Sacrifices ~ Brigham Young’s Definition of “Laying Judgment to the Line” ~ Two of the Sacrifices described ~ “The Affair at San Pete”

As early as 1853 intimations of the doctrine that an offending member might be put out of the way were given from the Tabernacle pulpit. Orson Hyde, on April 9 of that year, spoke, in the form of a parable, of the fate of a wolf that a shepherd discovered in his flock of sheep, saying that, if let alone, he would go off and tell the other wolves, and they would come in; “whereas, if the first should meet with his just deserts, he could not go back and tell the rest of his hungry tribe to come and feast themselves on the flock. If you say the priesthood, or authorities of the church here, are the shepherd, and the church is the flock, you can make your own application of this figure.”

In September, 1856, there was a notable service in the bowery in Salt Lake City at which several addresses were made. Heber C. Kimball urged repentance, and told the people that Brigham Young’s word was “the word of God to this people.” Then Jedediah M. Grant first gave open utterance to a doctrine that has given the Saints, in late years, much trouble to explain, and the carrying out of which in Brigham Young’s days has required many a Mormon denial. This is, what has been called in Utah the doctrine of “blood atonement,” and what in reality was the doctrine of human sacrifice.

Grant declared that some persons who had received the priesthood committed adultery and other abominations, “get drunk, and wallow in the mire and filth.” “I say,” he continued, “there are men and women that I would advise to go to the President immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend to their case; and then let a place be selected, and let that committee shed their blood. We have those amongst us that are full of all manner of abominations; those who need to have their blood shed, for water will not do; their sins are too deep for that.”* He explained that he was only preaching the doctrine of St. Paul, and continued: “I would ask how many covenant breakers there are in this city and in this kingdom. I believe that there are a great many; and if they are covenant breakers, we need a place designated where we can shed their blood.... If any of you ask, Do I mean you, I answer yes. If any woman asks, Do I mean her, I answer yes.... We have been trying long enough with these people, and I go in for letting the sword of the Almighty be unsheathed, not only in word, but in deed.”**

* Elder C. W. Penrose made an explanation of the view taken by the church at that time, in an address in Salt Lake City on October 12, 1884, that was published in a pamphlet entitled “Blood Atonement as taught by Leading Elders.” This was deemed necessary to meet the criticisms of this doctrine. He pleaded misrepresentation of the Saints’ position, and defined it as resting on Christ’s atonement, and on the belief that that atonement would suffice only for those who have fellowship with Him. He quoted St. Paul as authority for the necessity of blood shedding (Hebrews ix. 22), and Matthew xii. 31, 32, and Hebrews x. 26, to show that there are sins, like blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which will not be forgiven through the shedding of Christ’s blood. He also quoted 1 John v. 16 as showing that the apostle and Brigham Young were in agreement concerning “sins unto death,” just as Young and the apostle agreed about delivering men unto Satan that their spirits might be saved through the destruction of their flesh (1 Corinthians v. 5). Having justified the teaching to his satisfaction, he proceeded to challenge proof that any one had ever paid the penalty, coupling with this a denial of the existence of Danites.
Elder Hyde, in his “Mormonism,” says (p. 179): “There are several men now living in Utah whose lives are forfeited by Mormon law, but spared for a little time by Mormon policy. They are certain to be killed, and they know it. They are only allowed to live while they add weight and influence to Mormonism, and, although abundant opportunities are given them for escape, they prefer to remain. So strongly are they infatuated with their religion that they think their salvation depends on their continued obedience, and their ‘blood being shed by the servants of God.’ Adultery is punished by death, and it is taught, unless the adulterer’s blood be shed, he can have no remission for this sin. Believing this firmly, there are men who have confessed this crime to Brigham, and asked him to have them killed. Their superstitious fears make life a burden to them, and they would commit suicide were not that also a crime.”

** Journal of Discourses, Vol. IV, pp. 49, 50.

Brigham Young, who followed Grant, said that he would explain how judgment would be “laid to the line.” “There are sins,” he explained, “that men commit, for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world nor in that which is to come; and, if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven for their sins...I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it a strong doctrine; but it is to save them, not to destroy them.”

That these were not the mere expressions of a sudden impulse is shown by the fact that Young expounded this doctrine at even greater length a year later. Explaining what Christ meant by loving our neighbors as ourselves, he said: “Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant.... I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last resurrection there will be) if their lives had been taken, and their blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the devil.”*

* Journal of Discourses, Vol. IV, pp. 219, 220.
Stenhouse relates, as one of the “few notable cases that have properly illustrated the blood atonement doctrine,” that one of the wives of an elder who was sent on a mission broke her marriage vows during his absence. On his return, during the height of the “Reformation,” she was told that “she could not reach the circle of the gods and goddesses unless her blood was shed,” and she consented to accept the punishment. Seating herself, therefore, on her husband’s knee, she gave him a last kiss, and he then drew a knife across her throat. “That kind and loving husband still lives near Salt Lake City (1874), and preaches occasionally with great zeal.”*

* “Rocky Mountain Saints,” p. 470.
John D. Lee, who says that this doctrine was “justified by all the people,” gives full particulars of another instance. Among the Danish converts in Utah was Rosmos Anderson, whose wife had been a widow with a grown daughter. Anderson desired to marry his step-daughter also, and she was quite willing; but a member of the Bishop’s council wanted the girl for his wife, and he was influential enough to prevent Anderson from getting the necessary consent from the head of the church. Knowing the professed horror of the church toward the crime of adultery, Anderson and the young woman, at one of the meetings during the “Reformation,” confessed their guilt of that crime, thinking that in this way they would secure permission to marry. But, while they were admitted to rebaptism on their confession, the coveted permit was not issued and they were notified that to offend would be to incur death. Such a charge was very soon laid against Anderson (not against the girl), and the same council, without hearing him, decided that he must die. Anderson was so firm in the Mormon faith that he made no remonstrance, simply asking half a day for preparation. His wife provided clean clothes for the sacrifice, and his executioners dug his grave. At midnight they called for him, and, taking him to the place, allowed him to kneel by the grave and pray. Then they cut his throat, “and held him so that his blood ran into the grave.” His wife, obeying instructions, announced that he had gone to California.*

* “Mormonism Unveiled,” p. 282.
As an illustration of the opportunity which these times gave a polygamous priesthood to indulge their tastes, may be told the story of “the affair at San Pete.” Bishop Warren Snow of Manti, San Pete County, although the husband of several wives, desired to add to his list a good-looking young woman in that town When he proposed to her, she declined the honor, informing him that she was engaged to a younger man. The Bishop argued with her on the ground of her duty, offering to have her lover sent on a mission, but in vain. When even the girl’s parents failed to gain her consent, Snow directed the local church authorities to command the young man to give her up. Finding him equally obstinate, he was one evening summoned to attend a meeting where only trusted members were present. Suddenly the lights were put out, he was beaten and tied to a bench, and Bishop Snow himself castrated him with a bowie knife. In this condition he was left to crawl to some haystacks, where he lay until discovered “The young man regained his health,” says Lee, “but has been an idiot or quiet lunatic ever since, and is well known by hundreds of Mormons or Gentiles in Utah.”* And the Bishop married the girl. Lee gives Young credit for being very “mad” when he learned of this incident, but the Bishop was not even deposed.**

* Ibid., p. 285.
** Stenhouse quotes the following as showing that the San Pete outrage was scarcely concealed by the Mormon authorities: “I was at a Sunday meeting, in the spring of 1857, in Provo, when the news of the San Pete incident was referred to by the presiding Bishop, Blackburn. Some men in Provo had rebelled against authority in some trivial matter, and Blackburn shouted in his Sunday meeting—a mixed congregation of all ages and both sexes: ‘I want the people of Provo to understand that the boys in Provo can use the knife as well as the boys in San Pete. Boys, get your knives ready.’” “Rocky Mountain Saints,” p. 302.


99 posted on 02/18/2012 9:35:44 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1

btw although mormons contribute little to non-mormon charities

they are well known for their blood drives

an entire congregation will turn out to donate blood

the outward appearance is great public relations

but within the wards it is still viewed as a path to forgiveness of sin

keeping the basic belief alive

and waiting


100 posted on 02/18/2012 9:55:03 AM PST by AnTiw1
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