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Posted on 02/17/2012 8:52:07 PM PST by Neil E. Wright
Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- An ICE Agent went on a workplace shooting rampage in a Long Beach CA Federal Office Building last night after reportedly getting into a heated exchange with his Supervisor.
The gunman was stopped only when another person with a gun, a fellow Agent, drew his own weapon and shot and killed the assailant. The Supervisor is currently hospitalized and is expected to survive.
Every time time there is a work place shooting, or any shooting where someone gets angry and goes on a rampage, Gun Control Groups, their followers and their enablers in the media and various Legislative bodies engage in a sick blood dancing competition to see who can be the first to issue a press release or a soundbite excoriating the presence of firearms and the “ease with which they make these horrific acts so common”.
“Firearms don’t save lives “they say. ” If the attacker didn’t have a gun, he wouldn’t have been able to do what he did” they exclaim. “Only trained Law Enforcement and the Military should or need to have firearms “ they caterwaul. “We must close the XYZ Loophole” they insist.
They’re right. We need to close the “Law Enforcement Loophole” !
I did a basic Google search and here are just a few examples of “trained professionals”, killing and maiming. Law Enforcement Officers from various Agencies around the Country, who by the way have access to fully automatic weapons and are always exempted from any proposed Gun Control Legislation such as magazine capacity restrictions, or semi automatic rifles that gun banners have intentionally misrepresented as “assault weapons” for over twenty years.
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“Where liberty dwells, there is my country." –Benjamin Franklin
Islam Delenda Est!
You know, the Constitution says the people have a right to bear arms. It doesn’t say the Government has that right. We need to get guns out of the hands of violent government agents.
It’s a nice rhetorical point, but of course the government is made up of the people. Of the people, by the people, for the people, or so the story goes. Even if you passed some law saying the government couldn’t arm its employees, those employees would still have their personal 2nd amendment right to bear arms.
Sort of, you're on the right track.
The Federal government has no rights. The Constitution grants certain enumerated powers and responsibilities to the Federal Government, and nothing else.
Among them is the responsibility to protect the nation and national borders from foreign enemies and the power to raise an army to do so.
Implicit is the power to arm the military, but that is not the police.
At least they'd have to buy their own guns just like the rest of us. In some places the local LEOs already do that. The good thing about that, from their point of view, is that it often comes with a choice, possibly a limited one, of what weapon to carry, rather than the one size fits all choice of the bureaucrats.
But whatever restricts we have to put up with, so would they. No waiver of the Class III tax. But if a particular jurisdiction authorizes those, then their Chief would have to sign off on the application of anyone in the jurisdiction who is legal to own firearms.
At least they'd have to buy their own guns just like the rest of us. In some places the local LEOs already do that. The good thing about that, from their point of view, is that it often comes with a choice, possibly a limited one, of what weapon to carry, rather than the one size fits all choice of the bureaucrats.
But whatever restricts we have to put up with, so would they. No waiver of the Class III tax. But if a particular jurisdiction authorizes those, then their Chief would have to sign off on the application of anyone in the jurisdiction who is legal to own firearms.
As usual, there’s more to this story than is found in the MSM.
Here’s an excerpt I found online from Debbie Schlussel’s website::
ICE, as I recently told you, came in 222nd out of 240 government agencies, as rated by each agency’s own respective employees. Not a week goes by in which I’m not asked by an ICE agent to represent him or her in my capacity as an attorney in a legitimate legal matter against the agency. And I’ve agreed to take some of these cases, as well as those by other Homeland Security federal agents. Morale is at an all-time low throughout. Agents can’t deport illegal aliens per Obama, and they can’t do much else in their nebulous roles.
ICE Deputy Special Agent in Charge for Los Angeles, Kevin Kozak, was initially shot by ICE Senior Supervisory Special Agent Zeke Garcia at ICE’s Long Beach office. Garcia was then shot and killed by ICE Assistant Special Agent in Charge Perry Woo. Garcia was in a “counseling session” with Kozak, reportedly over a disciplinary matter, and Woo was there as the witness, the typical procedure for such matters. Garcia shot Kozak four times and then was shot and killed by Woo.
It’s unusual that federal agents would feel sorry for the man who did the shooting (and was ultimately killed) and not for the man who was initially shot and lived. But, in this case, the man who was initially shot yesterday, ICE Los Angeles Deputy Special Agent in Charge Kevin Kozak, was part of the problem, not the solution. I condemn violence, I wish him well, and I hope he fully recovers. But while he certainly did not deserve to be shot, the many ICE agents I know have universally condemned this man and not a single one is surprised this happened. In fact, a retired federal agent I know who worked at ICE told me that everyone predicted that one of these days, Kozak was going to take a bullet by fed-up, abused employees. Other agents from all over the country have echoed the sentiment. I’m told that there have been years of complaints filed against Kozak for bad management and discrimination. Never once was anything done about it. And the fish rots from the head down, with the head being Obama appointee/ICE Chief John Moron Morton, who is flying to Los Angeles to “save the day” that can’t be saved and get face time for his faux-somberness.
ICE has already begun the spin, portraying the shooter as a nut. But he was not. ICE Agent Zeke Garcia, a Group Supervisor who oversaw a team of ICE agents, had a long career at ICE reportedly without a problem. He was a universally liked man who was bullied by Kozak and snapped. As one former ICE agent said, “What does it take for a great guy like this to snap like this? Answer: Kevin Kozak.” Garcia was originally with the INS and that was, reportedly part of why he was bullied in the old INS/Customs dispute, as the two agencies merged into ICE and ICE pretends to do immigration enforcement but actually does nothing.
**** UPDATE: One ICE agent who knew Garcia says the dispute was regarding Garcia being yanked around, being deliberately transferred by Kozak to an office that would add 90 minutes to his daily commute:
He was recently divorced and has a kid. After the dicorce, they moved him from the Laguna office to Long Beach increasing his commute by 90 minutes and, then, were screwing with him and tried to discipline him. There are a lot of high strung guys in the agency, but Zeke was never one of them.
END UPDATE ****
One ICE agent:
Kozak, who is an open INS hater, was going after yet another legacy INS supervisor and got shot. The Group Supervisor that shot him, Zeke Garcia was a great guy from what I knew of him. He was killed by ASAC [Assistant Special Agent in Charge] Perry Woo. What a continued mess that office is. Congress should investigate the whole merger and the continued assault of the legacy INS folks in HSI [Homeland Security Investigations, ICE’s new branding].
Expect our agency to go dead last in that federal survey.
Another:
Kozak is a well know a**hole, from the John Chakwin school of management. None of the agents are surprised by this. ICE has the kind of management that pushes, and pushes and it was just a matter of time before they pushed a guy over the edge. What a f**ked up outfit.
And another:
Deputy SAIC Kevin Kozak….. One of the most despised and corrupt agents in the agency. ICE has already begun their coverup and attack against “the shooter” who was a very good and liked agent. I have personally overheard agents talk that someday Kozak would take a bullet…. That it was just a matter time time.
I have personally assisted agents with their formal written complaints against this pieces of s**t. Kozak has more mismanagement and discrimination complaints filed against him than probably any other supervisor in the agency, yet because of his connections in DC, the agency never does anything. Now they will surround the wagons around Kozak “the victim” and trash the name of ” the shooter”.
And finally another (sarcastically):
What a peachy agency ICE is!!!!
Again, I do not condone the violence against Mr. Kozak. But when an agent opens fire on another agent and shoots four times, apparently trying to kill, another agent, it’s not usual he gets sympathy and the victim is universally disdained. In fact, it’s usually the other way around.
That should tell you something about ICE. John Morton should have handed his resignation in last night. Or, rather, long before that.
America . . . Desperate But NOT Serious.
You are absolutely correct – the Constitution doesn’t say anything about the Government having the right to bear arms.
If the gun grabbers want to “Get Guns off the street” we should start with the Government.
The Fast and Furious Walkergate scandal should show everyone that they can’t be trusted to handle these dangerous items.
The Federal government has no rights. The Constitution grants certain enumerated powers and responsibilities to the Federal Government, and nothing else.
The Constitution is meant to be a restraint on our Feral Government.
Which is why the Left sees it as an impediment to their plans of unlimited government.
BTW, on your tag line,may I point out an oft-used quote on the similarity between Fascism and Socialism:
"In certain basic respects - a totalitarian state structure, a single party, a leader, a secret police, a hatred of political, cultural and intellectual freedom - fascism and communism are clearly more like each other than they are like anything in between."
Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.
Communism is Fascism - successful Fascism, if you will. What we have called Fascism is, rather, the form of tyranny that can be overthrown - that has, largely, failed. I repeat: not only is Fascism (and overt military rule) the probable destiny of all Communist societies - especially when their populations are moved to revolt - but Communism is in itself a variant, the most successful variant, of Fascism. Fascism with a human face ... Imagine, if you will, someone who read only the Reader's Digest between 1950 and 1970, and someone in the same period who read only The Nation or [t]he New Statesman. Which reader would have been better informed about the realities of Communism? The answer, I think, should give us pause. Can it be that our enemies were right?
--at a pro-Solidarity rally in 1982.
Both Communism and Fascism are far left tyrannical politico/economic philosophies that are separated by the slimmest operational details.
The Fascists simply allow a cadre of educated experienced managers to live a privileged life in return for keeping the state industry running. The Communists kill that cadre thinking that to run industry all ya need to do is give the order.
This makes it important to state the criteria by which you judge these philosophies.
For example, judging on a political basis, Communism is very successful at establishing and maintaining state power over all aspects of slaves existence, but Communism is the world record holder for failure economically speaking.
China would fit Ahrendt's vision, as they are no longer economically Communist. Some would argue they are not even economically Fascist, and that would depend upon honoring contracts without double crossing contractors. That would make them an organized crime protection racket or statist tribute capitalist.
Exactly, and it is an absolute restraint, the Federal government may not do anything not specifically granted and enumerated.
As for everything new under the sun, the Federal government can't do that either.
Ya want somethin'...amend the Constitution using due process.
Might be kind of hard to “provide for the common defense” without firearms. We’d need to really step up our kung fu training.
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