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Posted on 02/06/2012 4:32:19 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
LOL, well done fellow freeper, well done!
Oh, like Congress passing legislation?
Thanks for making my point for me.
Have a nice day.
. That is the stupidest lie I have ever heard!
No, the stupid little moron is right about that, but the terms did not reflect their modern usage. As proof I will point out the Minor v Happersett (There are other examples as well, but this is the best one.) quote.
These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.When the Moron gets something right, it is an accident, and even then he doesn't understand WHY he got it right. He lives on in the delusion that he knows something worth listening to.
Will you just SHUT UP! Everything you subsequently say is more stupid than the previous thing you said. You are the most ignorant person I have ever seen discussing an issue of which you know nothing. At least others on your side have the good sense not to prattle on like a moron. But for You? Your mouth runneth over.
In whatever conversation you intrude, you simply increase the level of "dumbness" in it.
Blows your theory all to hell.
Exactly. There are THREE exceptions. Slaves, (not Blacks, there were Citizen Blacks prior to 1866) Indians, and Diplomats. Interestingly enough, these are not exceptions when viewed through the jus sanguinus principle of citizenship.
If their theory was the standard, why does the standard have such large and blatant exceptions?
“The question then arises, what rights do our laws confer upon a foreigner by granting him citizenship? I answer, all the rights, privileges and immunities which belong to a native-born citizen, in their full extent with the single qualification that under the constitution, “no person except a natural born citizen is eligible to the office of President…”
“Here none but a native can be President…A native and a naturalized American may therefore go forth with equal security over every sea and through every land under Heaven…They are both of them American citizens, and their exclusive allegiance is due to the Government of the United States. One of them(native-born citizen) never did owe fealty elsewhere, and the other, at the time of his naturalization…threw off, renounced and abjured forever all allegiance to every foreign prince, potentate, State and sovereignty whatever, and especially to that sovereign whose subject he had previously been.”
Great reference, but pearls before swine I am afraid.
Thanks, will read through it after i've finished hammering down some of the Obama Legitimacy supporters. :)
I must have missed that. Could you post a quote?
Great find! That is a TACIT admission by the Gray court that "The white children born in this country of parents who were not citizens" were NOT "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States "by reason of their birth here."
In other words, the Children of Transient Aliens WERE NOT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and therefore NOT CITIZENS. He puts them in the same legal citizenship status as "slaves", which means NONE.
Again, well spotted!
You forget that these "citizens" begat "natural born citizens. Anyone born there of citizen parents is now a natural born citizen, whether congress said so of the original citizens or not.
How does that happen here? If I'm wrong then tell me so.
Yes, his first version was pretty awesome as well!
DL: I was going to send you an “Idiotorium Ping”, but held off until now. Despite an excess of patently vacuous offerings by sundry Zero-Is-Eligible apologists, there are actually a goodly number of excellent historically pertinent offerings on this thread. h/t: sourcery; bushpilot1. I don’t have the time, wherewithal or talents necessary to carry out the deep research you guys (colloquially speaking) have undertaken on this issue, but I recognize quality analysis when I read it, and my hat’s off to you folks for your tireless efforts.
As long as these Obama Legitimacy apologists exists, our job is never done. You are correct, a lot of good people have done a lot of good research on this issue, and I commend them all as well.
That is a thoroughly healthy and realistic view of our current situation. I agree. The "law" nowadays means what the judges SAY it means. I disagree that it is the ACTUAL law, but it is what is enforced and called "law."
You forget that these "citizens" begat "natural born citizens. Anyone born there of citizen parents is now a natural born citizen, whether congress said so of the original citizens or not.
The language is concise. There is no sunset date in the statute so how is it eliminated to allow natural born citizens to be born?
Learn how to learn.
The object of the Fourteenth Amendment, as is well known, was to confer upon the colored race the right of citizenship. It, however, gave to the colored people no right superior to that granted to the white race. The ancestors of all the colored people then in the United States were of foreign birth, and could not have been naturalized or in any way have become entitled to the right of citizenship. The colored people were no more subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, by reason of their birth here, than were the white children born in this country of parents who were not citizens.
This says the white children born in this country of parents who were not citizens were NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, the same as slaves were NOT subject to the jurisdiction and were not entitled to citizenship at birth. They were made so after the passage of the 14th amendment because subject to the jurisdiction, according to Gray, means having permanent residence and domicil. This definition EXCLUDES Obama from being both a 14th amendment citizen and a natural-born citizen all in one swipe."
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Yes.
There has been an enormous disinformation campaign mounted by Obama supporters, but they simply cannot change the actual facts. There is a plethora of actual archived historical evidence that indisputably proves Obama is NOT a natural born citizen.
Had Obama actually been vetted and that fact exposed, it would have saved everyone a lot of aggravation and grief ...with the added benefit of increasing the general population's knowledge of U.S. History and Civics.
Wow, good find. The obots keep papering over it.
Need to send it to Fox and Hannity. oh, never mind. Sean likes Rubio.
Were ALL blacks non-citizen slaves in 1866?"
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That's the wrong question in regards to the attempts to assert that the falsely held belief that the WKA decision's discussion of the English laws that defined natural born subjects applied similarly to U.S. citizenship from the time of the Declaration of Independence, on. If even ONE Black child born in the U.S. were not born a U.S. citizen, it would prove the assertion false.
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