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Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens (New Cato study, FReeper author)
The Cato Institute ^ | February 2, 2012 | Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett

Posted on 02/02/2012 5:56:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster

The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. The restriction of access to firearms will make criminals unable to use guns to shoot people. Gun control laws will also reduce the number of accidental shootings. Those are the desired effects, at least in theory. It is important, however, for conscientious policymakers to consider not only the stated goals of gun control regulations, but the actual results that they produce.

What would be the effect of depriving ordinary, law-abiding citizens from keeping arms for self-defense? One result seems certain: the law-abiding would be at a distinct disadvantage should criminals acquire guns from underground markets. After all, it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where they are urgently needed.

Outside of criminology circles, relatively few people can reasonably estimate how often people use guns to fend off criminal attacks. If policymakers are truly interested in harm reduction, they should pause to consider how many crimes — murders, rapes, assaults, robberies — are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns. The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year.

This paper uses a collection of news reports of self-defense with guns over an eight-year period to survey the circumstances and outcomes of defensive gun uses in America.

Federal and state lawmakers often oppose repealing or amending laws governing the ownership or carrying of guns. That opposition is typically based on assumptions that the average citizen is incapable of successfully employing a gun in self-defense or that possession of a gun in public will tempt people to violence in "road rage" or other contentious situations. Those assumptions are false. The vast majority of gun owners are ethical and competent. That means tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns.


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To: DaveLoneRanger

Nice to see you. Please keep in touch, and thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 02/03/2012 6:59:53 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: goseminoles
I have done business with these guys many times over the years and you'll rarely find cheaper prices for quality firearms anywhere and the shipping is included in the price! BUD'S I'll bet that I have done business with them, including trades (trading up, always) at least a dozen times. I've never felt ripped off or unfairly dealt with.
42 posted on 02/03/2012 9:22:43 AM PST by ExSoldier (FMR Infantry Captain; 25 yrs an NRA Instructor; Master of KLIK-PAO!)
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To: Greg223

How is the recoil on that Tokarev? My wife does not like .45 due to the recoil and when she shoots .38 Special out of her .357 snub, well that is about as much as she can handle.


43 posted on 02/03/2012 1:30:32 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Peet
As far as I am concerned, all laws should be reviewed, evaluated by their original stated intentions (no mission creep allowed), .....

But that is the problem -- liberals/Progscum never state the real purpose of an overarching concept like gun control. Gun control ensures that they will be able to put boot on the throats of their adversaries. There is no other end in view.

44 posted on 02/03/2012 4:36:03 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Congratulations on getting the paper published!

Many thanks for the ping :)


45 posted on 02/03/2012 8:01:30 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: FreedomPoster

It is amazing what absurd logic the left will use to force their insanity upon us. If a law forbidding gun ownership would stop people from shooting people it would be pointless and unnecessary for that very reason, anyone with the capability of adding two and two should be able to realize this.


46 posted on 02/04/2012 11:22:09 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Rock on Dave. Good job switching gears and adapting; seeing the writing on the wall about pursuing a law career. Thanks for the update and for all your prior pings.


47 posted on 02/04/2012 8:37:39 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Carthego delenda est
I am thankful that this community is armed. Escapee Scott Freeman would be a Meth’d up dip-s*it to come back here into this community.

I would like to live somewhere I could say that.
48 posted on 02/04/2012 11:17:17 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Billk

I wonder how hard it would be to design a 12 gauge shotgun pistol. Something like an oversize derringer.

Of course you’d have to develop special loads as well because a regular 12 gauge shell would probably take the shooters arm off a the shoulder, but could you imagine the look in a mugger’s face when he faced a bore that size?

And heck, with one of those, you’d only need one shot anywhere.

Messy cleanup, though.


49 posted on 02/07/2012 6:07:38 PM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney!)
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To: Ronin
M.....12 gauge shotgun pistol. Something like an oversize derringer...

What you're looking for is the LeMat Pistol, designed in the mid 19thC. Very popular cavalry weapon during the Civil War. It was a big-bore six-shooter with a 16-gauge barrel underneath, looking something like the idea of the 40MM tube under an M16.

The LeMat is currently being manufactured in Italy and the US by a couple of those companies that work the Cowboy Shooters and collectors markets. Apparently works great!

www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_lemat.html

Should be enough to cause immediate and severe local sanitation problems amongst your neighborhood perps.

IMNSVHO, not a good candidate for IWB concealed carry, unless you weigh about 375 and wear muumuu's under a parka.

50 posted on 02/09/2012 7:40:58 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Kenny Bunk

Way cool!!!

Some brainy gunsmith needs to take that design and upgrade it with modern materials, methods and such. Get the weight down, etc.

Can you imagine what a load of buckshot would do to a perp at close range? Hell, with that, it’s practically impossible to miss.


51 posted on 02/09/2012 2:00:41 PM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney! Huh? He did?? Scratch that! GO SANTORUM!!!)
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To: Ronin
I knew a gunsmith in Wyoming who would cruise pawn shops looking for over and unders, which he would transform into huge 12 gauge derringers.

Illegal as hell, apparently. He still had a lot of customers, and he wasn't cheap...first class hand cannons, look just like the grandpappy of all derringers.

52 posted on 02/09/2012 2:15:16 PM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: AnTiw1

That’s what I’m talking about!

Probably break your wrist to fire the thing, but hey, plaster casts are cheaper than coffins.


53 posted on 02/09/2012 2:47:26 PM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney! Huh? He did?? Scratch that! GO SANTORUM!!!)
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To: Ronin
In regard to the LeMat: Some brainy gunsmith needs to take that design and upgrade it with modern materials, methods and such. Get the weight down, etc.

Get on the blower to Mamma Italia with your credit card in hand. Been done by Pietta and Uberti gunworks. 9 (!) rounds 44, plus 20 Ga barrel. Blackpowder muzzle loader, but then (as with a lot of these modern reproductions) there's a "conversion" cylinder to use cartridges. Scary! Yours for a low, low EU975. The weight, you say? Somewhere in the "2k" range, that's about 4.5 - 5 lbs. Too heavy? Not for a real man. Get a Titanium LadySmith .38.

www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleloadinguns/LeMat/index.html
http://www.squidoo.com/lematrevolver

54 posted on 02/10/2012 8:51:07 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Greg223
I prefer a 45. My son his Tokarev in 7.62 x25

Are you going to hijack this thread into one of those, "My gun is better than your gun" threads?

The simple fact is the 2nd Amendment says "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged". The 10th Amendment says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The 2nd Amendment is unambiguous. A citizen may own and bear/wear a gun. The 10th Amendment also prevents the usurpation of the 2nd Amendment by the states or the people because the 2nd Amendment does give the government the right to Prohibit the abridgment of the right to keep and bear arms. Clear as mud? So, all local and state laws restricting the owning and bearing of arms are unconstitutional. Why are they rarely challenged?

55 posted on 02/14/2012 2:45:43 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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