Posted on 01/29/2012 11:00:31 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Romney avoids mentioning it, but [Joseph] Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.
Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.
Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.” He was the “alpha male” in the rarefied Cougar pack, according to Michael D. Moody, a BYU classmate and fellow member of the group...
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
So now we quote Salon for the truth? You have got to be kidding!! Where did you get the idea that anything Salon publishes is correct?
This Salon article is full of it. If you want to read what Joseph Smith actually said about his bid for the Presidency, try reading his platform as he wrote it instead of this tripe. http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/2836
As for the so-called “White Horse prophecy,” it is complete garbage and has NEVER been accepted by the LDS Church. http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/whitehorse.pdf
Anyone who relies on Salon for the truth will be sorely disappointed.
“with hunger”
Is this why the Mormon’s are saving food? Is Romney going to be the White Horse?
Just asking...but are you a Mormon?
Only if he can wrest the title from Obama, although I seriously doubt he can.
The mormon’s practices are not something I’m interested in. Are they saving food? As far as ‘Romney’ being the white horse...he may be an ass but I’m relatively sure biblical prophecy wasn’t written with Romney in mind.
You can hear the tin-foil crunching on this thread...get ready for an onslaught for asking questions!
Are you out of your mind or a Romneybot? You’re trying to stop US from reading this because we’re going to be “demoralized?” We don’t have any interest in Romney as it is. The best thing for any conservative is to realize how bad he is right now while we have a chance to defeat him in the primary. And if he is the nominee, what in the world makes you think these kinds of articles won’t be all over the media and sinking his candidacy? MITT ROMNEY IS UNELECTABLE and trying to convince us to pretend otherwise is stupid and/or insane!
LOL! I don’t have the answers...but I know Who does :)
Obama is indifferent to his adopted Christian religion, Bishop Romney is obsessed with his evil cult and is one of it’s most powerful, devoted, elite, secretive, leaders.
That is quite a difference.
Bishop Romney could demand tax forms from Mormons, Bishop Romney could block a Mormon from becoming a God, Bishop Romney, and overseer of Bishops was, and is immensely powerful, in the cult.
Revealing the doctrines and theology of a little known, anti-Christian cult is a neccesity for conservative voters, it is not “attacking his religion”.
Christians need to know at least that Mormonism is not a Christian religion, that Romney expects to become a God himself, that they don’t accept the bible as authority, and some of the other basics.
Romney flies off the handle in this video about 15 minutes in when an interviewer starts asking him about the Mormon church. The show was on commercial break and he clearly did not know he was being recorded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkaCji-UDA
This needs to be pushed in Florida!
And BTW, Romney is not just a Mormon...he is a leader in the Mormon Church.
As President, we would wonder where his loyalties lie. It seems his Church comes first!
You’re missing something. Mitt Romney is not running for Pope or National Pastor. He’s running for an office which has no religious test. My opposition to Romney has nothing to do with his Mormonism.
Great link! I am passing this one onto friends.
ALL: This shows you that Joseph is a cultist who is spoon fed and can't do research for himself!
Tell us Joseph -- then why did the official Mormon church mag, Ensign have this quote in 1976?
“The documents show that Joseph Smith did prophecy a number of times that the United States and the Constitution would be imperiled and that the elders would have a hand in saving them”- D. Michael Stewart, BYU Department of History, “I Have A Question,” Ensign, June 1976, p. 64
[Scroll down to final question here: I Have a Question: What do we know about the purported statement of Joseph Smith that the Constitution would hang by a thread and that the elders would save it?
Fortunately, Reaganaut has posted NUMEROUS Lds general authority references to the White Horse prophecy...I culled out the...
Lds General Conference coverage of White Horse prophecy:
October, 1912? Check (by Lds "prophet" Joseph F. Smith -- nephew of Joseph Smith)
October, 1922? Check
October, 1928? Check
April, 1933? Check
April, 1942? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee)
October, 1942? Check
April, 1946? Check
April, 1948? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)
April, 1949? Check
April, 1950? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith)
October, 1952? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee)
October, 1961? check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)
April, 1963? check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)
That's over a dozen references in about 50 years' time! Sure a lot of General Conference "to do" 'bout White-Horse 'nothin'ness' - eh, Joseph????
Here are those General Conference references (per Reaganaut)...and I'll include the rest of her citations next post:
“Joseph Smith... predicted that the time would come, ‘when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11
“Now, these are the commandments of God, the principles contained in these commandments of the great Eternal are the principles that underly the Constitution of our country and all just laws. Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11
“My brethren and sisters, I hope that we will go home from this conference determined as a great body of people, to stand for law, order, righteousness, justice and peace on earth and good will among all men. I believe as the Prophet Joseph has written, that the day would come when there would be so much of disorder, of secret combinations taking the law into their own hands, tramping upon Constitutional rights and the liberties of the people, that the Constitution would hang as by a thread. Yes, but it will still hang, and there will be enough of good people, many who may not belong to our Church at all, people who have respect for law and for order, and for Constitutional rights, who will rally around with us and save the Constitution. I have never read that that thread would be cut. It will hang; the Constitution will abide and this civilization, that the Lord has caused to be built up, will stand fortified through the power of God, by putting from our hearts all that is evil, or that is wrong in the sight of God, by our living as we should live, acceptable to him.” - Apostle Charles W. Nibley, Conference Report, October 1922, p. 40
“The Prophet Joseph told us that he saw the day when even the Constitution of the United States would be torn and hang as by a thread. But, thank the Lord, the thread did not break. He saw the day when this people would be a balance of power to come to its defense. The Book of Mormon prophecies concerning the future of America have been referred to in our hearing during this conference, wherein it is stated that this nation, though it becomes a mighty nation, still it can stand in security here only as it serves the God of this land. That conception was in the hearts of the men who founded America.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1928, p. 108
“I believe that it is the destiny of the Latter-day Saints to support the Constitution of the United States. The Prophet Joseph Smith is alleged to have said—and I believe he did say it—that the day would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread. But he saw that the thread did not break, thank the Lord, and that the Latter-day Saints would become a balance of power, with others, to preserve that Constitution. If there is—and there is one part of the Constitution hanging as by a thread today—where do the Latter-day Saints belong? Their place is to rally to the support of that Constitution, and maintain it and defend it and support it by their lives and by their vote. Let us not disappoint God nor his prophet. Our place is fixed.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, April 1933, p. 127
“The Prophet Joseph told us that he saw the day when even the Constitution of the United States would be torn and hang as by a thread.... He saw the day when this people would be a balance of power to come to its defense.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1928, p. 108
“You and I have heard all our lives that the time may come when the Constitution may hang by a thread. I do not know whether it is a thread, or a small rope by which it now hangs, but I do know that whether it shall live or die is now in the balance.” - Apostle J. Reuben Clark, Conference Report, October 1942, p. 58
“How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it. . . . if it is sustained on this land of Joseph, it will be done by us and our posterity.” - Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Conference Report, April 1946, p. 171
“[Joseph Smith] said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.”- Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Conference Report, April 1946, p. 171
“Joseph Smith... [said] the time would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction. Why the elders of this Church?... ‘We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation.” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1952, p. 18
“But beyond all that, the Latter-day Saints have a responsibility, that may be better understood when we recall the prophecy of Joseph Smith who declared that ‘the time would come when ( the destiny and ) the Constitution of these United States would hang as it were by a thread, and that this people, the sons of Zion, would rise up and save it from threatened destruction.’ (J. of D., Vol. 7:15) I want to ask you to consider the meaning of that prophecy, in the light of the declaration of the prophets of the Book of Mormon times, who declared that this land was a choice land above all other lands, and would be free from bondage and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of this land, even our Savior, Jesus Christ. (Ether 2:12)” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, April 1942, p. 87
“It was Joseph Smith who has been quoted as having said that the time would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction. Why the elders of this Church? Would it be sacrilegious to paraphrase the words of the Apostle Peter, and say that the Constitution of the United States could be saved by the elders of this Church because this Church and this Church alone has the words of eternal life? We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation. The preservation of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ can be guaranteed upon no other basis than upon a sincere faith and testimony of the divinity of these teachings.” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1952, p. 18
“[Joseph Smith] said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true.... ‘Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.’” - Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1950, p. 159
“I must not take more time but to add this: The statement has been made that the Prophet said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger. Said Orson Hyde: I believe he said something like this — that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he: ‘If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church.’ I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it. (Journal of Discourses, 6:152.) Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.” - Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1950, p. 159
[Joseph Smith] foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents – the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85
“[Joseph Smith] foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents – the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85
“I would like to add this in conclusion. It is said that President Brigham Young, many years ago, made this statement: When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for Mormon elders to save it from utter destruction: and they will step forth and do it. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 2:182, Feb. 18, 1855.) This is recorded in the Journal of Discourses and I presume it is accurate, but however it may be, is it not a possibility, that this Church, in its great leadership and in the power that will come to it in advocating the things that are divine and are right and true as for example the great welfare program, is not possible that when we as a nation shall have exhausted our resources—and we can well do that if we do not turn about—when we have we have reached that point is it not possible that to us will those who are not of us look for guidance and we will be held up as a people who are pointing an economic way that will mean for the economic and spiritual salvation and blessing of our people.” - High Priest Clifford E. Young, Conference Report, April 1949, pp. 75-76
“It is no wonder that the Prophet Joseph said—even though he knew he would suffer martyrdom in this land—‘The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard; it is founded in the wisdom of God. It is a heavenly banner.’ Yet, according to his contemporaries, he foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents—the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85
“… the Lord told the Prophet Joseph Smith there would be an attempt to overthrow the country by destroying the Constitution. Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time ‘this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction…. It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, October 1961, p. 70
"It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, October 1961, p. 70
“The Prophet Joseph Smith said the time would come when the Constitution would hang as it were by a thread. Modern-day prophets for the last thirty years have been warning us that we have been rapidly moving in that direction. Fortunately, the Prophet Joseph Smith saw the part the elders of Israel would play in this crisis. Will there be some of us who won’t care about saving the Constitution, others who will be blinded by the craftiness of men, and some who will knowingly be working to destroy it? He that has ears to hear and eyes to see can discern by the Spirit and through the words of God’s mouthpiece that our liberties are being taken.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1963, p. 113
I can’t help it if God, Christianity, and faith mean nothing, or so little to you that a cult leader Presidential candidate, who expects to become a God, and who has devoted much of his life and tens of millions of dollars to getting Christians to abandon Christ, should be left to conduct his campaign without our exposing him and revealing his religion, of which he is a powerful leader within.
Luckily, you cannot impose a religious test on the American people, and force us to base our votes and political discussions, on criteria, and within limits, that you impose on us.
If Romney is a pawn of his church...everything about Romney is explained in the Book of Mormon!
I am not a Mitt man but that post is pure drivel, absolute balderdash
Great link! I am passing this one onto friends.
Be precise.
Also, tell me why you want his cult leadership and teachings concealed from conservative voting Christians.
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