How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work

New York Times ^ | January 21, 2012 | By CHARLES DUHIGG and KEITH BRADSHER

[Vince Ferrer]

When Barack Obama joined Silicon Valley’s top luminaries for dinner in California last February, each guest was asked to come with a question for the president.

But as Steven P. Jobs of Apple spoke, President Obama interrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States?

Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.

[wideminded]

Has there ever been a dumber question coming from a president?

Undoubtedly the answer is yes. Since it took a long article to answer the question of why we don't make iPhones in the US, it probably wasn't such a dumb question.

[zorro8987]

////quote//// Her roommate makes $.75 US per hour, ////unquote///

75 CENTS? Is that a decimal?

[zorro8987]

////quote//// There is no honor, no shame ///unquote///

So back in the olden days they would try to “save face” because of honor, and now they aren’t like that anymore? I guess that’s what it is — they’re not traditional anymore?

[zorro8987]

////quote//// There is no honor, no shame ///unquote///

So back in the olden days they would try to “save face” because of honor, and now they aren’t like that anymore? I guess that’s what it is — they’re not traditional anymore?

Hm well I guess it could also be that they now consider us to be their enemies. (?)

[svcw]

Yes, but the rent on the apartment is only $20 US($10 each) a month.
So she is making $.75 X 40 X 4.3= $129 US a month. Proportionality she is loaded.

[zorro8987]

Uh-oh. Sorry about that double post. I am interested in this because a few years ago I almost signed a contract to work for a Chinese employer. He had factories in China and was branching out to the USA. I was excited about the prospect of travelling back and forth with them.

[Talisker]

The only solution to the Chinese labor problem - or any slave-labor competition, because that’s exactly what it is no matter how it’s dressed up - is to have an entire WORLD based on the principles of the founding American documents, specifically the Constitution BEFORE, and NOT including, the 14th Amendment.

You say it can’t be done in America, let alone the world?

I say you’re arguing about whether there’s an alternative to cutting off fuel or oxygen to put out a fire. There isn’t. If you don’t cut off fuel or oxygen, the fire blazes out of control until it consumes everything in its reach - period.

And let me tell you who knows this very clearly: the people who run governments (slave and not-slave), and the people who run large multinational corporations.

They know EXACTLY what would solve this labor problem, and they are doing everything they can to make sure that solution is not even recognized when it sits in plain sight.

“For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” - Eph 6:12

That’s why the most common reaction to my pointing out the obvious in this post will be instant dismissal on the grounds of naivete - that’s the result of the efforts of evil to block acceptance of the truth.

But the Founders of America were basing their government structure on the laws of God, not human cleverness. Which, paradoxically, is why those laws declare humanity irrevocably free, and government dependent upon that inviolate freedom.

Which is also why, before God, to argue for any other “solution” is to argue about what stops a fire - irrelevent. Whether in fire or freedom, the Divine law is either obeyed, or not, with inescapable, absolute results for whatever path is chosen.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” - Galatians 6:7

So since what we are actually watching is an attempt to enslave the whole world, the only real question is whether God will allow contempt for the Divine law of freedom to proceed to complete destruction - or not.

If not, then there WILL be a Divine intervention, if we can’t straighten ourselves out in time.

[starlifter]

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment. What do you object to?

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

[MamaDearest]

...there is no infrastructure and no supply chain here for manufacturing anymore;

Where is aspirin made?

An expose in the New York Times Magazine (Nov. 2, 2008) revealed that there are no major generic aspirin manufacturers in Europe or the U.S. Most aspirin is now made in China.

Many over-the-counter medications as well as prescription drugs now come from manufacturers in China, India or other parts of Asia. If country of origin labeling is important for clothing and food, why wouldn’t it be even more critical for medicine?

[Democrat_media]

Their economy 40 years ago, in many ways was the same economy from 1,000 years ago. But the Chinese government started doing the right things, economically speaking and now they have all the technological companies.

That's a key point.

China was backward, a few decades ago, living like they did 1000 years ago. Now they make most of things we use including smart phones , computers and have all the technology,rising middle class etc. China did it by stealing the U.S. technology and stealing the U.S. market. Why do we keep allowing this? We could still turn the tables on China and so grow like they did. We have to stop what they are doing to us, and the only way is to restrict things coming in from china.let's say the U.S. bans import of cell phones. You know then companies will have to build factories here ( like Japan did for Toyota etc) .And that will bring jobs, technology , manufacturing ability back to the U.S.. China is destroying the U.S.

here is proof of the U.S. decline .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2832195/posts

U.S. lost at least 15 million jobs in the last 10 years due to China.We have no jobs just welfare , and debt.

[Joe the Pimpernel]

There is no middle ground with the UAW.

We need right to work and an end to mandatory union membership, and especially an end to the use of union dues for political purposes.

The fact is, Mr. Apple built the iPod on the backs of slaves. We all share in the blame. Tiananmen Square continues today.

[Joe the Pimpernel]

Where is you computer made? Where are its components made? Just wondering.

So the fact that stuff we all buy is made by ChiCom slaves makes it OK since we all buy it?

Just wondering.

[Last Dakotan]

We need right to work and an end to mandatory union membership, and especially an end to the use of union dues for political purposes.

Amen to that - and it is coming too. See Indiana.

I got tired last year of the beautification of Jobs. For anybody to make the blanket statement that such and such jobs are gone forever is foolish. Forever is a long time.

[Ouderkirk]

There is shame and face and that sort of thing in their culture, but not to outsiders.

[JoeFromSidney]

Sure, electronics would be real competative with union labor rates, massive oppressive regulations, the highest and the corporate tax rate in the free world. Everyone would want a $5,000 IPhone.

A couple of examples to illustrate your point.

Here in Dayton we had an electronics research lab. They did a lot of work for the government and for industry. I once asked the CEO why he didn't market some of their inventions. He said he couldn't be competitive in the electronics industry while paying auto industry wages (the local GM plants effectively set the wage scale for the area). The Lab was eventually bought out by an out-of-town outfit, and no longer exists.

Another outfit made integrated circuits. The chief engineer told me that under EPA regulations the waste water they put into the sewer had to be cleaner than the water they drew from the city water supply. They're no longer in business.

Is it just me, or does anyone else see a plot to destroy American industry?