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Tennessee speed guns: Payback vow on NYers for 9/11 Memorial bust
NY Post ^ | January 20, 2012 | LAURA ITALIANO

Posted on 01/20/2012 11:41:44 AM PST by Pharmboy

Gun nuts in the Tennessee state legislature have declared civil war on New Yorkers — saying they will retaliate for the prosecution of a woman who was carrying an illegal pistol at the 9/11 Memorial. A resolution winding its way through the Tennessee legislature warns New Yorkers not to drive through their state — because the Highway Patrol is “gunning” for us. A Knoxville-based legislator, who moonlights as a farmer, is so angry over the Tennessee tourist’s gun arrest last month that his resolution condemns it as a “grave miscarriage of justice” — and reminds New Yorkers to “drive carefully” if we come visit.

“We remind the citizens of New York, especially those residing in New York City, to drive carefully through the great state of Tennessee, paying extra attention to our speed limits,” reads House Resolution 585, which urges charges be dropped against Meredith Graves. A registered nurse and fourth-year medical student, Graves was arrested when she tried to check her Tennessee-registered weapon at the 9/11 Memorial in December. It’s illegal to carry the weapon in this state. Graves faces a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 3 1/2 years if convicted of felony weapons possession; prosecutors have not said if they will seek an indictment on that or on a lesser charge.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; US: New York; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloomberg; boycottnyc; donttreadonme; guns; laws; nyc; nycsucks; nyctyranny; secondamendment; waronbloomberg
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To: Pharmboy
even when you cannot carry in NYC ( I am a physician so I could get one)

WTF? How exactly is a physician entitled to carry when a salesman or bakery chef or UNIX engineer is not?

41 posted on 01/20/2012 1:32:30 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: DuncanWaring

You can rest your case. I concede.


42 posted on 01/20/2012 1:36:24 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

I made house calls and physicians like myself carried drugs and cash and were targeted with phony calls.


43 posted on 01/20/2012 1:37:38 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...but I got better.)
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To: secret garden; All
This is silly. What kind of responsible gunowner checks their gun anywhere?

I do not know the law in Tennessee, but in Arizona, public buildings that are posted against weapons have to have lockers for people to check their weapons in. I have done it many dozens of times at the library, courthouse, DMV, Recorders office, etc.

It makes more sense than leaving your weapon in a vehicle to be stolen.

44 posted on 01/20/2012 1:38:23 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Pharmboy; archy

Amendment 14
“...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States:”

Looks like a civil rights case to me.

Archy, isn’t there a law with severe penalties for infringing on civil rights under the color of law?


45 posted on 01/20/2012 1:45:42 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: eartrumpet

If I were writing that story I would have said he was a farmer who moonlights as a legislator...


46 posted on 01/20/2012 1:56:57 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...but I got better.)
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To: secret garden
We suspect this was a set-up, to drum up publicity for this woman.

What the heck are you talking about? Why would she be looking for publicity? She got a lot of undesired publicity and she might be looking at a fairly long sentence in jail!

47 posted on 01/20/2012 2:02:22 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: MeganC

Who said they did? The last time I got pulled over by a trooper in WVa I was driving a RED rental car with New Jersey plates. I was doing 79 in an 70 mph zone. Until the trooper saw I had a PA driver’s license, he was strickly prefessional as in, Oh boy, oh boy, I’m going to give this man a ticket There was a definite change in demeanor when he saw that license.

If I had a NJ or NY drivers license, I’d have gotten a ticket.


48 posted on 01/20/2012 2:16:41 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: RitchieAprile

The thing is that while you’re upset with the likes of Bloomberg and Schemer other people are more upset with the New Yorkers who keep voting these vermin into office.

And don’t forget that Bloomberg has been endlessly trying to usurp the gun rights of people in other states so it’s only fair that New Yorkers are held to account for the tyranny they vote for.


49 posted on 01/20/2012 2:43:09 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“The 2nd amendment gives this young lady the right to possess a gun.”

Forgive the semantic correction, but it is important. The Constitution does not give anyone any rights and to say that is a very dangerous thing, indeed. Because if you say the Constitution ‘gives’ a right then it can be amended to take away that right, too.

The Constitution enumerates rights that are inherent in men courtesy of their Creator. It makes clear that government ‘shall not’ infringe on those God given rights.

But nowhere in the Constitution does it say that my rights come from a mere document.


50 posted on 01/20/2012 2:49:52 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: All

And on a totally unrelated topic...

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51 posted on 01/20/2012 2:52:14 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Pharmboy
By and large, upstate NY is a whole different country than New Yawk City. The people are more like other "normal" folks in the rest of the country. They are generally much more conservative and decent and not the pushy, arrogant, heavily accented, entitled, big attitude people so typical of those found in the city.

It is the city that drags the rest of the state down. It has done so since the Revolutionary War. It has always been on the side of the "enemy".

Give the tickets to the ones from the city, not the rest of the state. Most of the rest of the state would agree with Tennessee, not Bloominidiot's downtown crowd of urban dwellers and assorted welfare scum.

52 posted on 01/20/2012 3:04:48 PM PST by Gritty (The can no longer can be kicked down the road. We're all out of road, there's only an abyss-Mk Steyn)
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To: Gritty

I lived in both places...for many years...and all I can say is..you are CORRECT!


53 posted on 01/20/2012 3:13:02 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...but I got better.)
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To: blackdog

I do recall that at one time New York State refused to extradite black people charged with felonies back to Mississippi because they feared they would not get a fair trial. The victims of these people only got wronged. If New yorkers have problems because of the actions of their state, it’s just too bad. Any one who has not lost the “right” because of conviction of violent behavior and or a felony or because of mental illness and who have not been pardoned or pronounced cured has the right to carry any where in the United States, we have just given up that right and need to take it back.


54 posted on 01/20/2012 3:17:44 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: Pharmboy
Laura Italiano covers real live Manhattan perps for the New York Post.

I didn't know Janeane Garofalo worked for the New York Post.

55 posted on 01/20/2012 3:18:48 PM PST by kcvl
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“She got a lot of undesired publicity and she might be looking at a fairly long sentence in jail!”

This might be where the idiot mayor of NYC screwes up. He takes such a savage swipe at someone who dares to believe a thing aberrent to his majesty, that she is forced to take it to the SC, which must then exempt NYC from the Constitution or let her free.


56 posted on 01/20/2012 3:28:58 PM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Pharmboy

I had a friend in NYC back in the early 90s when I lived there. He was a vet and had a permit. Carried a Glock 19. I guess his “in” for getting one was similar to yours, ie: drugs, etc.

That was back in the Dinkins years and it was pretty scary sometimes. I regularly traveled through Harlem and the Bronx and might have taken my .357 with me...can’t remember:)

Anyway, years after, moved to CT, got a CCL, but seldom carried. Giuliani happened + NY wouldn’t recognize the permit and I regularly crossed state lines.

By the way...Howard Stern has a NYC/CCL.


57 posted on 01/20/2012 3:31:40 PM PST by Quanah
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To: Quanah

Vet= veterinarian


58 posted on 01/20/2012 3:34:52 PM PST by Quanah
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To: reed13k
“It’s illegal to carry the weapon in this state. “ - I’m fairly certain this is a false statement that the media just wishes were true. I believe that if you grease the correct palms or bust your ass to jump through all the hoops that NY does indeed issue concealed carry permits...


New York Concealed Carry Permit Information

Concealed Permit:
May Issue to Residents Only*
The determination whether to grant the license is completely within the discretion of the
licensing officer. However, the licensing officer must state specifically and concisely in
writing the reasons for a denial. A denial can only be overturned in court if the denial is
shown to be arbitrary and capricious.

Issuing Authority:
Licensing Officer of the City or County where the applicant resides, is principally employed,
or where his principal place of business as a merchant or storekeeper is located.

NICS check: Yes

Cost:
A license fee is fixed by the board of supervisors in each county, with a $10.00
limit prescribed by state law. The Division of Criminal Justice Services sets the
fingerprinting fee. The fee for each amendment to the license is $3.00 ($5.00 in Suffolk
County). In New York City and Nassau County, the City Council and Board of Supervisors, respectively, set the license fees without regard to the state law limitation.

Featured New York Firearm Instructors:
Requirements:
Westchester County may require the applicant to successfully complete a firearms safety course
and test in addition to meeting the other requirements. Other counties also require a safety
course for license issuance.

A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no
good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons
honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at
an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly
incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol
shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate
supervision).

Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a
delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons.

If issued, a license is valid until revoked, except in New York City where a license shall
expire not more than 3 years after the date of issuance, and in Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester
Counties where a license shall expire not more than 5 years after the date of issuance.

An applicant for a license to carry outside the home must be required to show, in addition to
the requirement for possession, that proper cause exists for the issuance of a carry license,
including, for example, target shooting, hunting, or self-defense.

Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
Automobile carry:
A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. (Loaded means a
firearm with ammunition loaded in magazine or chamber or any firearm which is possessed by one
who at the same time possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such
a
firearm.) Possession of any loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal.

It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state
unless he has a valid New York license.
More details on this click here.

Places off-limits when carrying:
It is a crime to possess any rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon a building or grounds, used
for educational purposes, of any school, college or university. It is lawful, however, to
possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon the forestry lands, wherever located, owned and
maintained by the State University of New York College of environmental science and forestry,
without the written authorization of such educational institution.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
New York is a Castle Doctrine state but has no stand-your-ground law.


Not a New Yorker but this information is openly available on the web. It appears that indeed New York State as well as City does issue CCW permits, but clearly not "shall issue" since you must "demonstrate a need" a need, also NYC and several counties have opted out of the $10 fee limit which makes CCW there seem to be discretionary. I may be wrong on that but * the law as described does not provide for reciprocity which makes CC by tourists clearly a violation of NY law. Second Amendment applies to Federal Laws ("Congress shall...") and leaves states to deal individually with the question. Which opens the question is NY alone in denying reciprocity? Clearly the only safe answer is to research the laws of any states you plan om visiting BEFORE leaving on your trip.

Regards,
GtG

PS I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once...

59 posted on 01/20/2012 3:46:29 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I found this in the NRA summary of the NY gun law.

(A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel if the person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console).

It does cut a tourist a little slack when "transporting a gun through NY but does not apply to loaded arms carried on your person.

G

60 posted on 01/20/2012 3:58:16 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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