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Posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:55 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Barack Obama has outlined a defense strategy for a multitude of state-level challenges to his candidacy on the 2012 presidential ballot in a Georgia case that is scheduled to come before a judge later this month – simply explain that states have nothing to do with the eligibility of presidential candidates.
“Presidential electors and Congress, not the state of Georgia, hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications of presidential candidates,” Obama’s lawyer argues in a motion to quash a subpoena for him to appear at the hearings Jan. 26.
“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” the lawyer said.
Hearing have been scheduled for that date for three separate issues to be handled. They all are raised by Georgia residents who are challenging Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot for various reasons, which they are allowed to do under state law.
It is states, usually through the office of secretary of state, that run elections, not the federal government. The national election is simply a compilation of the results of the individual elections within states.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I have mentioned this before. It is my understanding that your claim above applies ONLY if the child is born out of the country. There are no age requirements for the mother if the child is born in the United States.
So very true! Remember how the Obama campaign tried to create the romantic myth of Daddy Obama being “a simple Kenyan goat herder” when in fact his family was well connected in Kenyan political circles and that Senior had been the beneficiary of an academic airlift by the Kennedy family.
Since it is safe to say that these lies aided in bamboozling the electorate to vote for this usurper, this would constitute more evidence of the massive illegal fraud that was the Obama campaign.
Obama’s legal team has scrupulously evaded entering any of these alleged documents into evidence in court.
Gov. Abercrombie couldn't find them for the longest time, Gov. Lingle lied about the existence and availability of the long form, as did other HI DOH officials.
The president's own lawyer won't let Obama hold the April 27 pdf LFBC image in his own hands. Come on!!!
Something is _seriously_ wrong with the HI documents, as attested by over 20 experts.
Trouble is, we already know that the HDOH’s list for births includes names from legally non-valid birth certificates, which means that the list they printed was manipulated. It was NOT a simple printing of names from all legally valid birth records with a birthdate in 1960-64. It was printed up special and manipulated so that it would include legally valid and legally non-valid names without any indication of which was which.
IOW, the HDOH has been caught lying to the public by claiming that at least 2 records are legally-valid when they are in fact not legally valid. They had to take special measures to get those non-valid names in that list. It is thus proven that the HDOH specifically manipulated their list to deceive the public.
So at this point nothing they say is credible. The only way we know which claims of theirs are true and which are a lie is by auditing the paper, computer, and microfilm records.
This is what Orly Taitz absolutely HAS to let Malihi know.
He continues to make light of this issue. It's nonsense, silliness, I don't have time for this, everyone knows where I was born.....bla bla bla. And his base will continue to repeat and the MSM will echo. "He's the President, we've already been down this road. The birth announcements were magically placed in two different "News" papers back in '61 so he could be President....
I can't wait to see him in cuffs. I can't wait to give Bill O'Riley the finger! I can't wait to tell my representatives to go EFF yourself when they ask me for money and support!
And I am telling you that if he gets re-elected you will see me and millions of others in our pickups trucks with our gun racks surrounding DC. PS Note to Betty White, show him you LFBC! What a hoot that would be....
Ann married a British transient. Upon marriage did she get British Citizenship? Ann Marrying Obama Sr. I believe gave her HIS status, and citizenship follows the father in any case. Obama was Born British and may have a 14th Amendment claim to citizenship. Anyone making a 14th Amendment claim for citizenship by definition is NOT a Natural Born Citizen because if they WERE an NBC, they would not NEED the 14th Amendment.
Ann’s status changes when she got married. That much is certain.
are you going to the hearing? what do you expect to happen with it? someone (can’t remember who) provided a list on another thread about all those attending. do you see this judge ruling favorably for those of us that cry and sigh over the abominations? :|
“I suppose one would have to produce a Marriage certificate for Barack Obama Sr. and Kezia (?) to demonstrate they were married to argue bigamy.”
There is a listing in a marriage index computer database printout of HI marriage for the BHO Sr. SADO marriage, but that is trivial to corrupt and is “hearsay” secondary evidence of a marriage. The marriage index has not bearing on whether the marriage might have been bigamous.
If Barry had to go to Kenya to find witnesses and documents to prove that his father had a legal tribal marriage to Kezia under the Kenya Marriage Act in order to prove that his father was a bigamist to save his presidency, I have no doubt that he could do it.
Just my opinion on the evidence of the letters from BHO Sr. to Tom Mboya, the INS files, as well as Kezia’s own recounting of her story to the UK Daily Mail. The reporter in that story, doubtless based on what Kezia told him, described the Obama family in Kenya as regarding BHO Sr. as a bigamist. Kezia is a living witness. I do not believe that she has ever considered herself as other than the first and only legitimate wife of BHO Sr...and NOT in a Muslim plural marriage either!
Bottom line for me is that neither a BC proving an HI birth nor or marriage license proving BHO Sr as Barry's father is in evidence...yet.
YOU may know this, but if the Judge does not know about it, he will accept such records at face value. I have always said people will act on what they believe to be true whether or not it is actually true.
Someone would have to file an amicus curiae brief.
I’ll only be there in spirit and in prayer.
It sounds like Obama’s planning to be a no-show, which would leave the judge no choice but to keep him off the GA ballot.
Worst-case scenario is that the judge lets Obama show just a certified copy and the HDOH fabricates ANOTHER document just like it’s been proven they fabricated the 1960-64 birth index.
Of course, they should know that if they fabricate another document it will be another criminal count against them later on...
Is an amicus curiae brief something that I can/should do, or does somebody from GA have to do it? What’s the timeframe for submitting something like that? How do we go about this?
So this Judge has to confirm or deny Mr. Soetoros’s contention that foreign citizens born on US soil are indeed eligible for the presidency.
If Mr. Soetoro is eligible, it opens the door to foreign citizens with an American BC, dual or otherwise.
This is a point that can't be stressed enough.
My Daughter has an American BC and an American father at birth. She is also a citizen of a foreign country at birth via her mother. If my daughter leaves the USA and renounces her US citizenship, and then comes back in 20 years and runs for president, is she entitled to do that?
Per Obama, yes she is entitled to do that. She just needs an American BC. Obama is telling us that his foreign citizenship is inconsequential because he was just a Kid. Well, where in the NBC clause does is state that foreign citizenship is not considered a dis-qualifier if it exists under the age of 23? It doesn't.
So we are left with a gaping hole in the constitution. Citizenship is no longer a qualifier or dis-qualifier, for some people, for the presidency. The American BC is the only requirement, for some people, because McCain blasted a hole through that. So the definition has become whatever people want it to be, because Minor Vs Happersett has been ignored.
I guess it depends on which train of thought you wish to follow regarding the interpretation of the 14th amendment. Either way, He could receive citizenship from the 14th under one interpretation of it, and he could receive descent citizenship from his mother from the Acts of Congress of 1922 and 1934. (A Citizen by statute is NOT a natural born citizen.)
In theory, this should be correct. In the real world? Not so much, in my observation.
There is one page missing from the divorce file. In theory BOTH the original marriage license AND Barry's BC should have been in the divorce file, yet only one is missing.
Given the primacy that family court's give to “the best interest of the children” and Barry's continuing “right to privacy” my money is on the missing page being some sort of BC for Barry.
This would leave the marriage license as missing.
It is entirely possible that the court accepted the claims in the sworn divorce filing by SADO that she was married and failure of BHO Sr. to object when he had the chance as sufficient evidence of the marriage.
I do not believe that I was required to provide a state marriage license from TN to the divorce court in TX for my divorce there, but each state is different.
Again, a bigamous marriage is a nullity (did not ever exist) regardless of subsequent divorce proceedings.
Of course, they should know that if they fabricate another document it will be another criminal count against them later on...
I keep trying to get this point out. It is not illegal to fabricate replacement birth certificates for adopted children which are designed to look like an original. As I've mentioned dozens of times, I am an adopted child and I have a replacement birth certificate which is designed to look like it was issued when I was born.
I think that the pdf which Barack has produced is an actual file that came from Hawaii DOH and is that of a REPLACEMENT birth certificate which was intentionally created by Hawaii to comply with a Judge's court order.
If this is true, then it isn't illegal, but it also isn't the original.
Anything entered into the record will also be examined by the plaintiff's.
You could do it, but I think judges are disinclined to pay attention to something that wasn't done by a lawyer. The legal system tends to be very insistent on it's formalities and procedures.
You would have to write up your proof that the Records are defective and put it all in the correct form before sending it to the Judge. Whether or not he would read it is another issue. Oh, and it would be preferable if you made it "brief". :)
I will offer a similar but somewhat alternate theory. Hawaii did give the Obama team what they had AND did create the cover letter with it. But the contents are not at all the LFBC (Laughingly Fake Birth Certificate) pdf. That document is discarded and the LFBC pdf is 'created' to replace it and then shown with the authentic Hawaii cover letter.
The Hawaiians for the most part seem to try to avoid crossing the line into pure fraud. i.e. Schatz does not sign a document indicating Obama is eligible; carefully qualified statements saying 'the records show', etc. So I could see them providing the actual records with a cover letter. The WH does a 'man-in-the-middle' move chucks the actual documents from Hawaii and post the Frankenstein LFBC pdf with the original authentic Sate of Hawaii cover letter. Hawaii officials just have to keep their mouths shut at this point and not stir up anything.
If this is the case the Hawaiians believe they can avoid entanglement by not directly doing the fraud and forgery. And so far...they are correct.
Hawaiian is seeking to maintain a separation of birth and state.
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