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Maybe Forbes can send this "journalist" to school to learn about the Constitution and capitalism.
1 posted on 01/17/2012 5:26:33 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Despite the bravado exhibited by the GOP presidential candidates—each angling to outdo the other when promising to enter the White House with guns ablazin’ for the Affordable Care Act—their rhetoric is fraught with some very real dangers to their party—not to mention the nation—when it comes to actually pulling the trigger.

[facepalm] Yeah, we might get some of that dangerous, you know, ....freedom! Then we'll start expecting it, and then DEMANDING it from those statist jackasses we pay to live in Washington. Just turribul. We can't risk THAT.

2 posted on 01/17/2012 5:42:58 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I agree.

This is about principles, and freedom, not some short-sighted approach to medical economics. Liberal solutions are almost always dictatorial, without regards for personal freedom and choice.

Although the economic realities of slavery are debatable, moral human beings eradicated slavery because it is morally wrong. One could make the case that enslaving the entire medical profession and making them all work for minimum wage - and making medicines all generic without any patent protection - would save the country lots of money. One could make the same case for farming, or any other line of work. Sadly, there are plenty of people in the US at this point in history that would support these approaches.

3 posted on 01/17/2012 5:49:17 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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“So here is a thought — if you are one of the many Americans who favors the idea of guaranteed issue at fair prices yet despise the government’s requiring you to buy the insurance coverage that is necessary to make it all possible, consider asking your friendly, local GOP presidential candidate how he can support the death of the insurance mandates and still deliver on giving Americans those parts of Obamacare that they like.

I know I’ll be anxiously awaiting the answer – and so should you as you are likely to discover that you should be much more careful with what you wish for.”

What I would do, is split the baby. Continue with the children on their parents health plan until 26, if the parents are agreeable to do so for their children, as they will still be paying the extra dollar amount to cover their child, and the insurance companies thus lose nothing; in fact they gain the extra premium.

As to pre-existing conditions, unless someone can come up with a cheap way to do that, then it will revert back to what it was before Obamacare changed it, otherwise it ends up with mandated insurance payments by everyone in order to pay for those with pre-existing conditions. Unfair as it may seem to some, I think the answer will just have to be a high risk pool being established for those people with pre-existing conditions and an inability to easily get insurance elsewhere. It is not the job of federal gov’t to level the playing field of fairness for everyone in society. Besides, no one currently is turned away from the hospital door if they can’t pay. They are still treated through the emergency rooms. Hopefully, some brilliant politician(s) will come up with a less expensive “cure” to this particular issue.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 5:50:36 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Rick Ungar

I write on politics with a 'specialty' in health care policy from my home in Santa Monica, California. My interest in the field began with an experience fifteen years ago in a hospital in Los Angeles that has led me to my current life where I consult a number of government officials and health care advocacy groups in addition to my strategic consulting work with noted health insurance "whistleblower" Wendell Potter. In addition to my contributions to Forbes, I write a political column at The Washington Monthly. On Saturdays, you can find me on your TV arguing with my more conservative colleagues on "Forbes on Fox" on the Fox News Network.

This liberal idiot seems to believe that we must keep Obamacare because there are a few parts Americans like. We can repeal it and craft new legislation to address specific problems. We don't have to change the entire health care system to fix them.

5 posted on 01/17/2012 5:52:10 AM PST by kabar
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While the public has been slow to grasp the inescapable connection between the private insurance mandates and making coverage available to all, including those who have had illness in their past, the inability or unwillingness to grasp this truth does not diminish the reality that you simply cannot have one without the other —unless you are prepared to replace our current model with a universal, single-payer health care system.

Like it or not, those are the choices —and the only choices.

This author is such an arrogant prick, that he, and only he, can understand the deep nuances of health insurance.

We have only "the inability or unwillingness to grasp the truth". What an ass and it's too bad all of my guns were lost in the great canoe sink.

These are not the only choices, they are the only choices that the author will recognize.

The one choice that he doesn't mention is the free market solution.

Let Americans make their own decisions, pay their own way, and live with their choice.

6 posted on 01/17/2012 5:54:20 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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The path to affordable healthcare includes:
Tort reform to remove the practice of defensive medicine and lower malpractice insurance rates. (saves $250 Billion/year)
(Defensive medicine is the practice of ordering unnecessary tests and procedures for fear of law suits.)
Allowing interstate competition among insurance companies could reduce premiums 10% to 15%.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 5:57:05 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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The idiot token leftie at Forbes makes a point without realizing it: passing lefty, nanny state, budget busting legislation is a huge hazard because once it it passed a constituency springs up that benefits from it and, no matter how catastrophic it is, you can't get rid of the damn thing as it drowns you.

Which is why the passing of Obamacare was such a dark and sad event in the unfolding of the country's demise.

8 posted on 01/17/2012 5:58:10 AM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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“despise the government’s requiring you to buy the insurance coverage that is necessary to make it all possible”

He starts with a false premise - that the requirement is necessary to make it all possible.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 6:02:43 AM PST by Castigar
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As a rule of thumb, a functioning insurance model requires 80 percent of the pool to be healthy to support the cost of the 20 percent who get sick.
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—unless you are prepared to replace our current model with a universal, single-payer health care system.


There we have it.
Why even bother calling it health insurance anymore.
Eventually everybody will get old and sick, unless they die first.
It's government mandated cradle to grave health care, period.
It will be very expensive.

... not going to happily accept the idea of a GOP dominated government snatching away the availability of health insurance at a community rated price and a return to denying coverage to those who suffer from pre-existing medical conditions.

So it's GOP that's evil, "snatching away" at the "insurance at a community rated price", (big, big lie there) and "denying coverage to those who suffer from pre-existing medical conditions".
Boohoo. Sniffle.
What does he think will happen at the inevitable Rationing Boards/Death Panels?

12 posted on 01/17/2012 6:25:54 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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In my view, Ungar is an example of the thinking on health care that would dominate policy under a Romney administration. It would be “Campaign promises are one thing, but governing is another, just as I discovered in Massachusetts. We need to compromise.” I can hear it now.


16 posted on 01/17/2012 7:30:53 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Recovering_Democrat
So here is a thought — if you are one of the many Americans who favors the idea of guaranteed issue at fair prices yet despise the government’s requiring you to buy the insurance coverage that is necessary to make it all possible, consider asking your friendly, local GOP presidential candidate how he can support the death of the insurance mandates and still deliver on giving Americans those parts of Obamacare that they like.

There is a third option: You don't have to buy insurance, but, if you can't pay, the ER doesn't have to treat you.

20 posted on 01/17/2012 8:58:00 AM PST by cynwoody
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Same old story: The Democrats propose to tear down the Washington Monument, and the Republicans respond with a workable plan to do it in three stages.

When the Republicans say “repeal and replace,” what they are really telling you is that they think they can do socialism better than the Dems, and intend to try.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 2:13:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is dead. The Republic is not. At least not yet.)
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