I think LDS has plenty in common with Christians of all denominations. We believe in God, believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior, believe in living according to the teachings of Jesus.
I live and work around people who are almost all non-Mormons and find I have lots in common with other Christians. We have very similar values, ideals and hopes.
I think sometimes people blow up the differences to be a major problem. That’s why it’s surprising to come on FR and find people getting so upset about Mormonism. LDS are generally good neighbors, believers in common decency, lovers of country, family and friends.
I appreciate my friends of all religious backgrounds and enjoy associating with them.
Can't we all sing Kumbaya and just all get along...? Yeah, we COULD..if mormons stopped claiming to be Christians after nearly two centuries of denigrating everything Christian.
Sorry, this type of SO two-faced and condescending post from mormons that try to gloss over the lies that the mormon church leaders have told, including the one that compares them to persecuted blacks will NOT go unanswered.
The post I am responding to is just SO holier-than-thou and superior. Whether someone "gets along and has much in common" does not alter the fact that mormon belief is that all other faiths are apostate and the only way to salvation is through the gates of the mormon temple, and most importantly in this context "mormons are special God chose Joseph Smith to restore His Gospel".
Echoes of the old "Some of my best friends are...black, hispanic, etc. etc. "gentile" ring out over the land.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Mormonism is NOT Christian in any sense of the word.
Norm, of all the mormons I've interacted with in real life and here on FR, I find it hard to believe you just wrote that.
You and the other mormon FReepers should know quite well why Christians get "upset about mormonism".
It's not like it hasn't been explained and shown to you all numerous times.
Likewise...
I know LDS has plenty in common with HERESIES of all stripes.
I am suprised that YOU, Norm, will not Reject or Affirm the words said by your leaders.
But, you are in good(?) company as NONE of the FR mormons will do it either.
It's shown right above; #30.
Will you CONTINUE to ignore?
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Office of First President & Living Prophet November 1st, 2011 The message for this month is -
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“We believe in God,”
... you forgot to mention Gods - lots of them!
“believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior,”
... you forgot to mention the Jesus you believe in was created and consequently, is unable to save.
“believe in living according to the teachings of Jesus.”
... and of course living according to Jesus’ teachings is a good thing. Truth with action is even better.
I read LDS members who say they believe in Jesus Christ; I read others who talk about LDS polytheism, and exaltation to gods; and how God was a man who was exalted; and how Jesus and Lucifer are two of God's many children; and how works are necessary for salvation; and more. And I read people like Bill McKeever. How would you respond to him, as a LDS member? Are his points valid? He seems to target LDS prophets' statements that run contrary to your of similar values, ideals and hopes.
Bill McKeever, the founder of the Mormonism Research Ministry, had this response to the two claims that: (1) it's ridiculous to suggest that the LDS faith is in some important sense outside of the Christian fold, and (2) Latter-day Saints never level harsh criticism at other faiths or at their adherents.
But let me see if I understand this correctly, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Let's see. You say my church is "wrong"1, you say my creeds are an "abomination""2, my pastor is "corrupt""3, my Heavenly Father is 'invented'"4, my Jesus is "mythical""5, my Trinity is a "monster""6, my justification is "pernicious""7, my grace is a "fallacious doctrine originated by Satan""8, and my Bible is not trustworthy. "9 Then when I attempt to offer any sort of disagreement or rebuttal, you accuse me of hatred and bigotry, or even of being 'un-Christlike'. And if that isn't enough, to add insult to injury, you want to steal my name [of 'Christian']! Let me just say, folks: not on my watch. I am not going to be manipulated by people that try to use these type of measures to coerce me into embracing an organization that teaches things that are blatantly unbiblical, just so that we might have peace.
here is a direct and honest quote right from your religion's Journal of Discourses though so highly of by the leadership of your religion:
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
The Journal of Discourses are a compiled record of what has been taught as the foundational beliefs of Mormonism. Amasa Lyman was a devout man. He did not steal or get drunk, he did not make a habit of deceiving people else he could not be an apostle in the LDS hierarchy. His life stands as a witness to his devotion to his family and his Church.
Notice in the above italicized paragraph I started with a declaration on The Journal of Discourses, but instead of defending the teaching from Amasa Lyman, I shifted my plea to what a good man Amasa Lyman was. In this bait and switch technique, I avoid addressing and thus having to defend the blasphemous statement from Amasa Lyman which is found among the past teachings of your religion.
In seeking to remove the focus from the heretical assertion from Lyman that is found cherished by LDS inc publication in the Journal of Discourses I have purposely divert attention thus I have practiced to deceive the reader.
Notice, I have not called you a liar. This practice to deceive by diverting attention is something lawyers do frequently, and the courts do not hold them accountable for lying to the court. Purposely diverting attention from something/a blasphemy you wish to avoid defending and thus letting it slide, when so great an issue as the Blood of Christ as THE ONLY CLEANSING means for we sinners, is a despicable ploy, however. But then, pretending that mormonISM is 'restored Christianity' is a despicable behavior too, and one of the reasons mormonISM apologist like yourself are still openly opposed at Freerepublic.
What mormons say they believe and what they actually do believe are two entirely different things. Anybody can claim what you posted for the saying of it and many cults and false religions always usse Christian verbage...for obvious reasons.
I’ve had atheists as neighbors and they too are friendly, love country, family and friends and willing to be helpful when they can. That does not make them Christian because they’re behavior is such.
Mormons have “adopted” the Christian verbage because without it your leadership would have fallen long ago and with it the organizaation...
Mormonism is a counterfeit Christianity from front to back. Everything about it is a “copy”....until the BOM....which is a farce.