So, you're from DU? Hmmmm...
Posted on 01/11/2012 11:55:36 AM PST by americanophile
On MSNBC just now, South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian painted Republican voters there as potentially refusing to vote for a Mormon, while trying to make it so. From memory: It does not bother me that he may believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, but it may bother them.
This is an ugly card and I hope...
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So, you're from DU? Hmmmm...
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
My question to you is, do you affirm this teaching from an LDS Apostle? And if so, would you like to explain how this teaching can be Christian?
In which state is Milty not being allowed to run because of his religion?
You see a "religious test" being applied? Do you fancy yourself as being a "Constitutionalist?
Yes, there is a degree of hatred, toward the ISM. But your effort to deceive readers into believing this hatred is directed toward the poor souls trapped in this demonically inspired religion is in itself service to the same spirit of anti-Christ, as you seek to squelch opposition to the demon's lies under the guise of hating the people trapped in this demonic religion.
If one is uncomfortable thinking about or reading about the vagaries of what Jesus Christ as The Grace of God toward men IS, as opposed to the false religions of men, so be it. Don't allow yourself to read an entire thread where the actual facts and quotes from the founders of Mormonism, forinstance, because if and when you read the actual material on such a thread, you will find your false witness attacking the folks posting the facts and quotes exposes your current ranting as hollow at best.
But when you try this transpositional deceit of exchanging the adherents for the ISM, as if I and others are attacking the individuals trapped in this religion of Joe Smith instead of opposing the quoted facts and teachings at the heart of this demonic religion, you will be called on it, at least by me, because I hate the spirit of anti-Christ which such deceit serves.
Early morning reading project.
I really don’t know what Lyman was thinking. But I do think he’s certainly not a very good resource for anyone that is critical of the church to use as a resource. Lyman was disfellowshipped from the church in the 1860’s and then excommunicated in the 1870’s. So you can quote him all you want but it’s not going to impress any Mormon apologists. What impresses them is when people speak good things about Thomas S. Monson who the Mormons all must accept (if they want a temple recommend) as being God’s official spokesman on earth right now. Of course I did make a covenant in the Mormon temple just as Romney did to never speak evil of the Lord’s annointed (i.e. President Monson) so I certainly won’t judge Monson for what happened in him trying to get my friend to obstruct justice. However I also did make a covenant to try to be honest. Thus I say things as I see them and figure that if I err that the Lord will reveal the truth of my errors as the Lord sees fit. I used to be timid and shy about speaking my mind on various topics. That all came crashing down when I read up about the scientific research on the DNA origins of Native Americans. Since then I just speak my mind and try not to worry what others may think. And I respect the rights of everyone to believe as they may.
When I first heard of the so-called “Lamanite DNA” issue I was serving in a Ward Bishopric for the Mormon church. I was devastated and troubled for sure. Then 9 months later I came forward with my devastation/sadness to my extended family. An uncle of mine who is supposed to be an expert on Mormon doctrines/history offered to help. So after asking me a whole series of questions on whether I was obeying all the rules of the Mormon leaders he then sent me a copy of this talk by Packer. I’ve received a copy of this talk from others too. However this talk is non scriptural canon or doctrine in the Mormon religion. And besides I didn’t have the best experience shortly after my “Lamanite DNA” crisis of faith in following some advice of Boyd K. Packer. He had once written that a testimony is gained in bearing it. So when it came my turn a few weeks later to conduct Sacrament Meeting on Fast Sunday I got up and took Packer’s counsel to heart. Sure I brought tears to the eyes of many in the congregation. But I felt something akin to the feeling I normally associate with lying. From that moment forward I’ve never felt comfortable fulfilling any church leadership responsibility in the Mormon church. And BTW its been over a decade since I’ve fulfilled any church assignment of any sort.
Why don't you address the issue at the heart of why we oppse the Lyman teaching regarding the blood of Jesus Christ? Readers might lend to you greater credibility if you did not try to play misdirection and change the subject. If you are not comfortable addressing this tremendous difference in beliefs,we can honor that and not ask further in this regard.
Following are a few references from The Bibe regarding exactly opposite what Lyman was asserting ... and for the record, your ISM claims to believe in The Blood of Christ cleansing for salvation AFTER all that you can do to earn worthiness for this cleansing. Thus what Lyman stated is at the heart of the blasphemous working for worthiness for salvation as opposed to what the Bible teaches as Salvation by Faith alone, then works generated by the Holy Spirit of God making a new man follow the Salvation by Faith in the Blood of Christ.
Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
What do you think a “modern Republican” is?
I'd be interested in your response.
Conservative ~ and against the federal Income Tax.
I'm sure you have some "links" to these "vicious attacks and slander"....
Could you post them?
It's in the Constitution.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ME. I can make all the religious tests I want and you'd best beware of what I think about people who want to prohibit me from thinking that way.
Real Freepers don’t read DU. It is HARAM!
Okay.............
I dance around the doctrinal pronouncements of Lyman for the same reason I’d dance around the doctrinal pronouncements of Dennis Rodman or Elmer Fudd or Alice in Wonderland. The late Amasa M. Lyman doesn’t have any credibility. In fact the Journal of Discourses don’t have any credibility IMO either. Perhaps you may view them as scripture but I certainly don’t. I really don’t get into Mormon theology much if ever because I try to keep my Mormon temple covenant to avoid loud laughter (especially when I’m at work) and anytime I think about Mormon teachings I just feel like laughing now.
The Constitution doesn’t tell any of us how to vote or whether or not we can choose to apply a litmus test in picking who we’ll vote for. That’s left up to each of us in accordance to the dictates of our own conscience. Personally I will not apply a litmus test on religion. But I’m not about to agree for giving the government the authority to enforce the prohibition of any voter applying a litmus test of their choosing.
Except MORMONs.
They sure do like to play the victim....And they like to blow their own horns too!
If your taste has been soured...then leave.
Give me 10 examples of hatred....here on FR, against mormon's. Then we can see who the bigots are........
...............Your Bishop may be giving you a visit....
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