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To: reed13k
"it goes back to Abraham and the belief that Ishmael was cheated of his inheritance by Isaac."

Which is between the ARABS and the Jews, not the muslims and the Jews. The Jews came from Isaac, and the arabs from Ishmael. People get muslims and arabs mixed up all the time - the Jews and arabs (and Christians) have the same God, the God of Abraham. The muslims' god is the pagan god, allah, the moon god. So, when people say the muslims have the same God as the Jews, they're dead wrong! They do not!

23 posted on 01/08/2012 8:43:59 PM PST by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: jackibutterfly
Which is between the ARABS and the Jews, not the muslims and the Jews. The Jews came from Isaac, and the arabs from Ishmael.

That's NOT at all the way the muslims see it. Muslims believe that Issac was an usurper, that Abraham was actually about to sacrifice ishmael at "allahs command," and that the true lineage of Abraham actually descends through ishmael, rather than the Jewish and Christian accepted beliefs of Issac (then Jacob, then the sons, which beget the Tribes of Israel.

Since Christians and Jews descend from Issac the usurper, they're "unclean" and are to be subjugated.

Mark

24 posted on 01/08/2012 9:50:46 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: jackibutterfly

I understand, but many of the Arabs are now Muslim and don’t discern the difference either. They often profess Allah is the god of Abraham and Ishmael. I’m aware of the delta but god said theyd be at mankind and mankind at them at its pretty much that way.

Also said between Ishmael and Isaac that Abraham’s see would go from Sinai to Euphrates and that’s dead on ad well if you consider Arabs and Jews location today. The Persians start at the Euphrates and go east from there which is why Iraq had the Sunni/Shia problem it has.


25 posted on 01/08/2012 10:19:19 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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