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Posted on 01/06/2012 10:00:48 AM PST by Fred
I feel the same way.
Unfortunately for us, there’s no way to achieve escape velocity from the damnable weight of single-focus SoCons who don’t care about fiscal conservatism, and will vote every time for perceived holy rollers like Huckabee, and now Santorum.
Barry Goldwater opined a few decades ago that the co-opting of evangelicals into the Republican Party, would ultimately be the death of it.
Kazan, you are part of the problem for your candidate. Defend him and present his positions from here on out. You cannot brow beat people into supporting a candidate.
gonna get worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyU5I43_Hc&feature=youtu.be
Newt has pretty much been on his own defending himself. He has done a damn good job with over 4 million dollars of IEs thrown at him. I know this well, because I have done my share of posting and opposing his previous positions. I am now convinced that Gingrich will do as he has promised on the campaign trail and is serious about winning the nomination. He has earned my respect.
Santorum has a long way to go and to me his motives are suspect.
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Still being an ass I see.
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I want to elect Rick Santorum as our next POTUS. Anyone who values the spurious "right" to slice, dice and hamburgerize the innocent unborn above the future of this country can go straight to hell. We can fashion a majority easily without such barbarians.
If your screen name suggests that you reside or have resided in Milwaukee, I would remind you that neither US Senator Ron Johnson nor Governor Scott Walker have hidden in any way their status as pro-lifers. Apparently neither of them needed the babykiller vote nor does the GOP nationally. We can also do nicely without the rumpranger vote and that of other charter members of the weirdo/American "community."
If we should lose for whatever reason and your stock portfolio suffers adverse consequences and you have to sell a few polo ponies, toooooo bad!
You also are not very representative of the Tea Party. It was organized on small government and low tax principles but its members also are likely (not every one but most) to be socially normal folks with solid family values.
If abortion turns you on, then you will have to decide between your portfolio and your social views. If you favor Obozo because he has always been an enthusiast for babykilling, then you will have no complaint coming about the rest of the damage he will do to all of us including you.
We actual conservatives don't need and don't want to nominate Obozo in whiteface (the Mittwit) just to make America safe for babykilling and rumpranging disguised as "marriage" and gun-grabbing and the usual elitist Americans last establishmentarian roll over and play dead foreign policy designed to maximize profits of corporations while exporting the jobs of Americans of modest means. No more tax gimmicks for the comfortable. No "trade deals." No subsidizing Eurobankers or the European Union or Goldman, Sachs or Jon Corzine or Solyndra or other objects of obsessive investor class affection.
It is not possible since the GOP has sadly become just the other side of the Establishment coin. The GOP Establishment has no desire to see the federal government shrink in any substantive manner. Just look at the "top" players on the field for this primary season.
If you believe that life begins at conception, and the the federal goverment is empowered and requried to do everything possible to protect that life, then everything the mother does from the moment of conception until birth that could potenially affect the health of that baby is subject to federal control, monitoring and regulation.
They can make her life hell if they want to.
I’m still not getting it.
I’m trying to get it. I am. I still want to know how being pro-life equates to being a nanny stater.
But what you said does lead me to think what we pro-lifers would like to see:
Sonograms.
Rick Perry - for instance - is a proponent of requiring a mother to obtain and view a sonogram before allowing her baby to be ripped apart in utero. We all know the abortionist crowd howls in anguish at that idea because why? It works. If a young mother sees her living child, there is much less of a chance that she will murder it.
But. How is that making her life “hell”? If that is “Big Government intrustion”, then yeah. Count me in.
I make NO APOLOGIES for anything the government might do in promoting the sanctity of life.
You make the mistake of assuming that giving them the authority to do whatever they want to "promote the sanctity of life" would actually be used to do that, and never simply use it as an excuse to punish people who's politics the don't like.
Take a good hard look at the beltway bureaucracies and the people who work there. Can you honestly tell me you think they can be trusted with that kind of authority without abusing it?
Daniels would be looking pretty good right now if he'd stayed in it.
Before 1972, abortion was a state issue. Are you wanting to return to letting the states decide, or are you wanting to make it an object of federal control and authority?
I'm not accusing you of being a "nanny-stater". I am saying you're naieve if you think giving the federal government the power to do whatever they think they need to to "protect the sanctity of life" can only ever be used for good and will never have any unintended consequences.
Yikes. This is a much bigger list than than one a put up a few days ago.
I'm not accusing you of being a "nanny-stater"....
Actually, I want an Amendment to the Constitution mandating the sanctity of life shall not be denied to the unborn.
Yes, I’d even added a few to the one you originally generated, plus some other goodies, and this still beat it by far.
I never said I was pro-choice, nor do I own polo ponies. Scott Walker and Ron Johnson are pro-life, but thet are smart enough to know that you can’t win a campaign if you focus too much on just that.
Santorum will never win a general election, and his statist big gov’t views are not in tune with those in the Tea Party. He won in Iowa on social issues, but that is not a winning strategy for a national campaign.
The government bureaucracies are already packed with liberal idealogues, and they're not going to be happy about this.
The first thing they'll do is start looking for ways to enforce it designed to make people regret it ever being enacted. They can start requiring doctors to report pregnancies to CPS so that the mother can be visited and interviewed. They may require miscarraiges to be investigated as possible homicides to find out if the mother might have gotten an illegal abortion or used an illegal abortificant. If they're homeschoolers, or CPS sees evidence they might not be "politically correct" people, the may have to get visited frequently, to insure that the mother is taking care of herself appropriately to protect the health of the child. "Anonymous reports" of possible drug or alcohol use or mental instability by the mother, or possible physical abuse by the father would be grounds to take the mother out of the home and put her into government-run maternity center where she could be monitored to be sure she doesn't do anything that might endanger the child.
Now, you might call that a "strawman" argument, but doing so would be to assert that there's simply no way a bunch of liberal, union-drone bureaucrats could possibly be that mean, petty, and vindictive. I have every reason to believe they can, and would.
I gather that you are a careful quiet supporter of the Mittwit. As an alternative to Obozo, any old trash will do so long as it is socially revolutionary trash, right? If you are not a pro-abort (not "pro-choice" since there is no such thing but pro-abort), not a trust fund baby, not Mittens' brother-in-law and have no polo ponies, why ever would you even consider supporting a brainless twit like Mitt?
AND, you are whining about "big government." Can you imagine Mitt Romney being anything but a privileged updated successor of Hubert Humphrey? Humphrey had the wrong principles but at least he was principled. The Mittwit would spend his time cowering in the corner lest those who run leftist cocktail parties in DC not approve him, lest he not be viewed as "enlightened," lest he be viewed as an "extremist!!!," lest he be mistaken for the unwashed who in his ideological twin's words "a bitter clinger holding on to his Bible and his guns." So, he won't personally wow 'em in San FranSicko but he would definitely send 'em the message that they want to hear.
Walker and Johnson made no bones about the fact that they were candidates who were religious and social conservatives. I listen to Wisconsin radio out of Milwaukee: i.e., Charlie Sykes until he caved to the faux and hallucinated inevitability of the Mittwit, and I live about six miles south of the Cheddar Curtain. I was also a Reagan state chairman in a northeastern state when he bucked feckless social revolutionary Gerald Ford in 1976. You weren't. Ford got beaten by Carter. Reagan won 40 states against Carter in 1980 and 49 against Mondale in 1984. Phony social conservative George Herbert Walker Bush who was Reagan's Veep beat Dukakis but once the general public got a good look at moderate fiscal Republicanism in action (including reading his lips and watching him raise taxes) the public vomited him out of office. Dole (tax collector for the welfare state) had his empty head handed to him in 1996 while de-emphasizing social issues (and attending the same social revolutionary Foundry Methodist Church in DC as Billy Jeff and Hitlery). Dubya emphasized his social conservatism and was elected twice. McCain took the spineless route and was defeated by Obozo.
There used to be those who said that communism did not fail in the Soviet Union and elsewhere but rather had never been tried. In a similar vein spineless money-obsessive Republican apparatchiks will say that Impeached Nixon, Defeated Ford, Defeated Bush the Elder (and Defeated Romney the Elder and Nelson Rockefeller and William Scranton and others for that matter), Dole and other spineless money obsessive social revolutionary or invertebrate intimidated moderates had not really discredited their breed but simply had never actually TRIED spineless moderation or social issue surrender, so we should now nominate "Son of Brainwashed" to PROVE that spineless social issue moderation and GOP liberalism in general can too succeed if only it is tried properly. Then, after Mittens is destroyed in 2012, if it appears that we will still have elections in 2016, they can try to nominate (and inevitably lose again with) Huntsman or Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins or Bob Corker or John Cornyn or LAMAR!!! or Lisa Moocowski or some other brainless twit to prove that the trust fund babies without principles can too win no matter what the unwashed may imagine.
If you happen to be a libertoonian for paleoPaulie, try and make an honest man of him again and make him run on the Libertoonian Party ticket. The Libertoonians will appreciate his cowardly isolationism, his refusal to defend marriage or the babies, his hallucinations about 9/11 and his pals at Stormfront. Of course, he will be back to 1% as he was in 1988 but, as a Libertoonian, he should agree not to trespass on Republican property. Halloween was over months ago and he is a bit long in the tooth to be trick or treating in a Republican costume.
You never said you WEREN'T "pro-choice" either. Trust fund babies like Muffy and Skipper hanging out at the Snobbington Polo Club can probably get you a great deal on polo ponies. So can Muffy's pals down at the Junior League.
If you believe that "moderation" is a winner, I can get you a great buy on a bridge that connects Brooklyn to Manhattan (cash only, small unmarked bills and you get a quit claim deed only) but you can get rich setting up a toll booth!!!
I am every bit as Tea Party as you may claim to be and I know better than to view the Tea Party as soulless unprincipled babykilling, lavender coddling, gun grabbing money obsessives.
One last thing. If you are ever tempted to include me an any group that you would call "we" or "us," don't. There is no we or us that includes thee and me.
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